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My current top two choices are as follows:
5930K http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nZqmnQ (front-runner)
6700K http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gqLnRB

Any comments/suggestions would be welcome.

It's been a few years since I upgraded my PC, and I finally have time in my life again to play PC games (e.g. GTA V and Far Cry 4 for starters).

My power supply should be able to handle the new system without an issue, as should my current case and CPU cooler. So, that leaves me with a CPU, motherboard, RAM, and graphics card to get. I would also need to get a new mounting system for my CPU cooler, and I have no idea what sockets are being used anymore. Unfortunately, I am not nearly as up to speed as I used to be on these things, so I need all of your help!

When I bought my current system, if 10 were the maximum performance possible I could have purchased (on a scale of 1-10), I usually stick with an 8 as a good compromise between price and performance, so keep that in mind. I would like to overclock as well.

On the graphics card front, I was thinking of the AMD R9 Fury X (or I could use my current card on the new system until the next generation is released if that's smarter). So that I can overclock, an Intel "K" seems to be the smarter choice, but the motherboard, RAM, and CPU requirements that optimize overclocking is something else I need help with. Furthermore, eventually I will get an ultra-wide monitor (30" 21:9 or something similar with FreeSync), so whatever system I get will need to be able to handle the associated resolution.

Budget is not a concern per se, but if I could keep it below $1500 total for the CPU, motherboard, RAM, and GPU, I would be happy.

So, what suggestions do you all have for me? Any links for reading material on new overclocking methodology so that I can learn again would be helpful! I've been reading reviews of the new graphics cards in games, but my tastes are not limited to only AMD-sponsored or only Nvidia-sponsored games so it doesn't really help me much to look at them except to see that performance would be acceptable.

Edit: Preferred places of purchase for the components would be Newegg, Amazon, and TigerDirect, in no particular order.

Edit 2: Current system is in my signature for those wanting to make sure my existing case and power supply are adequate.
Edited by stargate125645 - 2/11/16 at 4:39pm
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My power supply should be able to handle the new system without an issue, as should my current case and CPU cooler.

We still need to know what these items are.

Also, do you really want to put $1500 worth of new equipment behind what could be a rather old PSU? I wouldn't.
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All that information is listed in my signature. I assumed people still use those things...Sorry. The power supply is no slouch (highly rated by JohnnyGuru) and was overkill when I bought it. I have copied all that information to this post:

Hard Drives: 2-OCZ Vertex 3 MaxIOPS for OS, Western Digital Caviar Black for storage
Optical drives: LG WH08LS20 for Blu-ray, Samsung SH-S203N for general use
Cooling: Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme Black
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (will upgrade to Windows 10)
Monitor: BenQ V2400W (will upgrade to 30" 21:9)
Keyboard: Logitech G15 v1
Power Supply: Ultra X3 1000W
Case: Antec Twelve Hundred V3
Mouse: Logitech G5
Sound Card: Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty
Speakers: Logitech Z-2300
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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/D9pQMp

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($374.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: Asus X99-A ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($238.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $713.97

 

For GPU I would use what you got and wait for next gen for 21:9 gaming


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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/D9pQMp
CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($374.99 @ Newegg) 

Motherboard: Asus X99-A ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($238.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 

Total: $713.97

For GPU I would use what you got and wait for next gen for 21:9 gaming
Thank you! I take it the it-5930k is not worth the extra money despite the frequency and increased number of PCIe lanes? Why not a Skylake CPU? Also, is there any rhyme or reason to determining which ones come with an APU and which do not? It would appear the i7-5xxx do not have them, and I assume that is better for overclocking.

Should I worry about USB 3.1 capability in the motherboard? I don't have external hard drives so I would think regular 3.0 is fine for me, but future proofing is something to think about and that motherboard has bad reviews on the USB 3.1-capable version.

Is PCIe bandwidth to the CPUs a problem anymore on motherboards and today's sockets? Most things went through the southbridge and northbridge when I bought my current system, and I know when the new setups with piping directly to the CPU, SATA and USB could also be sucked into the same pipeline as the graphics cards. I don't want any bandwidth issues in the off chance I ever get dual GPUs to go with my SSD RAID array.
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Thank you! I take it the it-5930k is not worth the extra money despite the frequency and increased number of PCIe lanes? Why not a Skylake CPU? Also, is there any rhyme or reason to determining which ones come with an APU and which do not? It would appear the i7-5xxx do not have them, and I assume that is better for overclocking.

Should I worry about USB 3.1 capability in the motherboard? I don't have external hard drives so I would think regular 3.0 is fine for me, but future proofing is something to think about and that motherboard has bad reviews on the USB 3.1-capable version.

Is PCIe bandwidth to the CPUs a problem anymore on motherboards and today's sockets? Most things went through the southbridge and northbridge when I bought my current system, and I know when the new setups with piping directly to the CPU, SATA and USB could also be sucked into the same pipeline as the graphics cards. I don't want any bandwidth issues in the off chance I ever get dual GPUs to go with my SSD RAID array.

 

well the 5930k is worth it if you are going with 3 or 4 video cards however with 1 or 2 the 5820k has plenty unless you are installing a lot of m.2's or pcie ssd's. USB 3.1 type-c Isn't really used that oftan it took forever to adopt USB 3.0 for external devices so it is future proof but its not really needed and won't be for a while for the average person. The big issue is it isn't backwards compatible with usb 3.0 so its going to take longer to adopt.

 

5820k cost about the same as the skylake 6700k however the 5820k has 2 extra cores so its faster most of the time. other then in single threaded games and such. Later in the year Broadwell-E cpu's will be coming out to replace the 5820k with a 6800k which should be about as fast as skylake but with more cores

 

socket 1151 = APU

socket 2011-3 = CPU

except for xeon which are a mix


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Any idea if Skylake-E will use the same 2011-v3 pin configuration and X99 chipset? I'd hate to not be able to upgrade to a new CPU right out of the gate. I've got some other clarifications to address on the way the PCIe lanes interact with the CPU and/or northbridge, but I've saved that for another thread in the Intel section to focus on the build itself here.

So why not a "higher end" motherboard for me like the one you have? And I presume that even the next generation of graphics cards can't saturate PCIe 3.0 x8 so that's why it's OK to get the CPU and motherboard now and wait on the GPU? That motherboard you recommended also advertises slots specifically for M.2s. As far as I can tell that's just marketing, but in case you see something I don't: I wouldn't be sacrificing any capacity elsewhere by going with it, would I?

I suppose it's possible I would go with M.2s in the future, but I wouldn't have more than 2. Would this qualify as "a lot" such that the 5930K is worth it?

Does that RAM you recommended overclock to the 3200 max such that I wouldn't need to buy faster RAM from the start? Should I not care about XMP in the RAM? My current RAM supports XMP, but I never end up using it.

If I get the Haswell-E you recommend, this looks like the part for my CPU cooler:
http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-100700553-TRUE-universal-BTK/dp/B00UN05Q6A
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Any idea if Skylake-E will use the same 2011-v3 pin configuration and X99 chipset? I'd hate to not be able to upgrade to a new CPU right out of the gate. I've got some other clarifications to address on the way the PCIe lanes interact with the CPU and/or northbridge, but I've saved that for another thread in the Intel section to focus on the build itself here.

So why not a "higher end" motherboard for me like the one you have? And I presume that even the next generation of graphics cards can't saturate PCIe 3.0 x8 so that's why it's OK to get the CPU and motherboard now and wait on the GPU? That motherboard you recommended also advertises slots specifically for M.2s. As far as I can tell that's just marketing, but in case you see something I don't: I wouldn't be sacrificing any capacity elsewhere by going with it, would I?

I suppose it's possible I would go with M.2s in the future, but I wouldn't have more than 2. Would this qualify as "a lot" such that the 5930K is worth it?

Does that RAM you recommended overclock to the 3200 max such that I wouldn't need to buy faster RAM from the start? Should I not care about XMP in the RAM? My current RAM supports XMP, but I never end up using it.

If I get the Haswell-E you recommend, this looks like the part for my CPU cooler:
http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-100700553-TRUE-universal-BTK/dp/B00UN05Q6A

 

I am going to guess and say that Skylake-E will be on a new socket as Intel normally comes out with a new socket design every other product launch. You can go with a ROG board if you would like I just chose that board because the ROG is $500 also the ram i recommend might overclock to 3200 but im not sure i chose it because it matchs the boards color mostly and it was a good deal. however if you go ROG then a nice kit of RED ram would be a better option. However most people won't recommend the ROG do to the price. Also the ROG doesn't match your case. And if you want 3200mhz ram then get 3200mhz ram.


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I am going to guess and say that Skylake-E will be on a new socket as Intel normally comes out with a new socket design every other product launch. You can go with a ROG board if you would like I just chose that board because the ROG is $500 also the ram i recommend might overclock to 3200 but im not sure i chose it because it matchs the boards color mostly and it was a good deal. however if you go ROG then a nice kit of RED ram would be a better option. However most people won't recommend the ROG do to the price. Also the ROG doesn't match your case. And if you want 3200mhz ram then get 3200mhz ram.
OK, I will look into other motherboards just to see what strikes my fancy and then get your opinion. I'm not worried too much about matching the case, though red would stand out a lot more.

Was my statement about saturation of the PCIe 3.0 not realized yet correct?

Does Overclocking RAM not work well, or are you saying that because RAM is relatively cheap?
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OK, I will look into other motherboards just to see what strikes my fancy and then get your opinion. I'm not worried too much about matching the case, though red would stand out a lot more.

Was my statement about saturation of the PCIe 3.0 not realized yet correct?

Does Overclocking RAM not work well, or are you saying that because RAM is relatively cheap?

 

 

RAM is relatively cheap so may as well get the fastest that fits your budget. PCIe 3.0 8x saturation is only possible with high end ssd's and raid cards currently.

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