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My current top two choices are as follows:
5930K http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nZqmnQ (front-runner)
6700K http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gqLnRB

Any comments/suggestions would be welcome.

It's been a few years since I upgraded my PC, and I finally have time in my life again to play PC games (e.g. GTA V and Far Cry 4 for starters).

My power supply should be able to handle the new system without an issue, as should my current case and CPU cooler. So, that leaves me with a CPU, motherboard, RAM, and graphics card to get. I would also need to get a new mounting system for my CPU cooler, and I have no idea what sockets are being used anymore. Unfortunately, I am not nearly as up to speed as I used to be on these things, so I need all of your help!

When I bought my current system, if 10 were the maximum performance possible I could have purchased (on a scale of 1-10), I usually stick with an 8 as a good compromise between price and performance, so keep that in mind. I would like to overclock as well.

On the graphics card front, I was thinking of the AMD R9 Fury X (or I could use my current card on the new system until the next generation is released if that's smarter). So that I can overclock, an Intel "K" seems to be the smarter choice, but the motherboard, RAM, and CPU requirements that optimize overclocking is something else I need help with. Furthermore, eventually I will get an ultra-wide monitor (30" 21:9 or something similar with FreeSync), so whatever system I get will need to be able to handle the associated resolution.

Budget is not a concern per se, but if I could keep it below $1500 total for the CPU, motherboard, RAM, and GPU, I would be happy.

So, what suggestions do you all have for me? Any links for reading material on new overclocking methodology so that I can learn again would be helpful! I've been reading reviews of the new graphics cards in games, but my tastes are not limited to only AMD-sponsored or only Nvidia-sponsored games so it doesn't really help me much to look at them except to see that performance would be acceptable.

Edit: Preferred places of purchase for the components would be Newegg, Amazon, and TigerDirect, in no particular order.

Edit 2: Current system is in my signature for those wanting to make sure my existing case and power supply are adequate.
 
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My power supply should be able to handle the new system without an issue, as should my current case and CPU cooler.
We still need to know what these items are.

Also, do you really want to put $1500 worth of new equipment behind what could be a rather old PSU? I wouldn't.
 
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All that information is listed in my signature. I assumed people still use those things...Sorry. The power supply is no slouch (highly rated by JohnnyGuru) and was overkill when I bought it. I have copied all that information to this post:

Hard Drives: 2-OCZ Vertex 3 MaxIOPS for OS, Western Digital Caviar Black for storage
Optical drives: LG WH08LS20 for Blu-ray, Samsung SH-S203N for general use
Cooling: Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme Black
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (will upgrade to Windows 10)
Monitor: BenQ V2400W (will upgrade to 30" 21:9)
Keyboard: Logitech G15 v1
Power Supply: Ultra X3 1000W
Case: Antec Twelve Hundred V3
Mouse: Logitech G5
Sound Card: Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty
Speakers: Logitech Z-2300
 
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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/D9pQMp

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($374.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus X99-A ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($238.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $713.97

For GPU I would use what you got and wait for next gen for 21:9 gaming
 
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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/D9pQMp
CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($374.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: Asus X99-A ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($238.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($99.99 @ Amazon)

Total: $713.97

For GPU I would use what you got and wait for next gen for 21:9 gaming
Thank you! I take it the it-5930k is not worth the extra money despite the frequency and increased number of PCIe lanes? Why not a Skylake CPU? Also, is there any rhyme or reason to determining which ones come with an APU and which do not? It would appear the i7-5xxx do not have them, and I assume that is better for overclocking.

Should I worry about USB 3.1 capability in the motherboard? I don't have external hard drives so I would think regular 3.0 is fine for me, but future proofing is something to think about and that motherboard has bad reviews on the USB 3.1-capable version.

Is PCIe bandwidth to the CPUs a problem anymore on motherboards and today's sockets? Most things went through the southbridge and northbridge when I bought my current system, and I know when the new setups with piping directly to the CPU, SATA and USB could also be sucked into the same pipeline as the graphics cards. I don't want any bandwidth issues in the off chance I ever get dual GPUs to go with my SSD RAID array.
 
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Thank you! I take it the it-5930k is not worth the extra money despite the frequency and increased number of PCIe lanes? Why not a Skylake CPU? Also, is there any rhyme or reason to determining which ones come with an APU and which do not? It would appear the i7-5xxx do not have them, and I assume that is better for overclocking.

Should I worry about USB 3.1 capability in the motherboard? I don't have external hard drives so I would think regular 3.0 is fine for me, but future proofing is something to think about and that motherboard has bad reviews on the USB 3.1-capable version.

Is PCIe bandwidth to the CPUs a problem anymore on motherboards and today's sockets? Most things went through the southbridge and northbridge when I bought my current system, and I know when the new setups with piping directly to the CPU, SATA and USB could also be sucked into the same pipeline as the graphics cards. I don't want any bandwidth issues in the off chance I ever get dual GPUs to go with my SSD RAID array.
well the 5930k is worth it if you are going with 3 or 4 video cards however with 1 or 2 the 5820k has plenty unless you are installing a lot of m.2's or pcie ssd's. USB 3.1 type-c Isn't really used that oftan it took forever to adopt USB 3.0 for external devices so it is future proof but its not really needed and won't be for a while for the average person. The big issue is it isn't backwards compatible with usb 3.0 so its going to take longer to adopt.

5820k cost about the same as the skylake 6700k however the 5820k has 2 extra cores so its faster most of the time. other then in single threaded games and such. Later in the year Broadwell-E cpu's will be coming out to replace the 5820k with a 6800k which should be about as fast as skylake but with more cores

socket 1151 = APU

socket 2011-3 = CPU

except for xeon which are a mix
 
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Any idea if Skylake-E will use the same 2011-v3 pin configuration and X99 chipset? I'd hate to not be able to upgrade to a new CPU right out of the gate. I've got some other clarifications to address on the way the PCIe lanes interact with the CPU and/or northbridge, but I've saved that for another thread in the Intel section to focus on the build itself here.

So why not a "higher end" motherboard for me like the one you have? And I presume that even the next generation of graphics cards can't saturate PCIe 3.0 x8 so that's why it's OK to get the CPU and motherboard now and wait on the GPU? That motherboard you recommended also advertises slots specifically for M.2s. As far as I can tell that's just marketing, but in case you see something I don't: I wouldn't be sacrificing any capacity elsewhere by going with it, would I?

I suppose it's possible I would go with M.2s in the future, but I wouldn't have more than 2. Would this qualify as "a lot" such that the 5930K is worth it?

Does that RAM you recommended overclock to the 3200 max such that I wouldn't need to buy faster RAM from the start? Should I not care about XMP in the RAM? My current RAM supports XMP, but I never end up using it.

If I get the Haswell-E you recommend, this looks like the part for my CPU cooler:
http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-100700553-TRUE-universal-BTK/dp/B00UN05Q6A
 
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Any idea if Skylake-E will use the same 2011-v3 pin configuration and X99 chipset? I'd hate to not be able to upgrade to a new CPU right out of the gate. I've got some other clarifications to address on the way the PCIe lanes interact with the CPU and/or northbridge, but I've saved that for another thread in the Intel section to focus on the build itself here.

So why not a "higher end" motherboard for me like the one you have? And I presume that even the next generation of graphics cards can't saturate PCIe 3.0 x8 so that's why it's OK to get the CPU and motherboard now and wait on the GPU? That motherboard you recommended also advertises slots specifically for M.2s. As far as I can tell that's just marketing, but in case you see something I don't: I wouldn't be sacrificing any capacity elsewhere by going with it, would I?

I suppose it's possible I would go with M.2s in the future, but I wouldn't have more than 2. Would this qualify as "a lot" such that the 5930K is worth it?

Does that RAM you recommended overclock to the 3200 max such that I wouldn't need to buy faster RAM from the start? Should I not care about XMP in the RAM? My current RAM supports XMP, but I never end up using it.

If I get the Haswell-E you recommend, this looks like the part for my CPU cooler:
http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-100700553-TRUE-universal-BTK/dp/B00UN05Q6A
I am going to guess and say that Skylake-E will be on a new socket as Intel normally comes out with a new socket design every other product launch. You can go with a ROG board if you would like I just chose that board because the ROG is $500 also the ram i recommend might overclock to 3200 but im not sure i chose it because it matchs the boards color mostly and it was a good deal. however if you go ROG then a nice kit of RED ram would be a better option. However most people won't recommend the ROG do to the price. Also the ROG doesn't match your case. And if you want 3200mhz ram then get 3200mhz ram.
 
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I am going to guess and say that Skylake-E will be on a new socket as Intel normally comes out with a new socket design every other product launch. You can go with a ROG board if you would like I just chose that board because the ROG is $500 also the ram i recommend might overclock to 3200 but im not sure i chose it because it matchs the boards color mostly and it was a good deal. however if you go ROG then a nice kit of RED ram would be a better option. However most people won't recommend the ROG do to the price. Also the ROG doesn't match your case. And if you want 3200mhz ram then get 3200mhz ram.
OK, I will look into other motherboards just to see what strikes my fancy and then get your opinion. I'm not worried too much about matching the case, though red would stand out a lot more.

Was my statement about saturation of the PCIe 3.0 not realized yet correct?

Does Overclocking RAM not work well, or are you saying that because RAM is relatively cheap?
 
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OK, I will look into other motherboards just to see what strikes my fancy and then get your opinion. I'm not worried too much about matching the case, though red would stand out a lot more.

Was my statement about saturation of the PCIe 3.0 not realized yet correct?

Does Overclocking RAM not work well, or are you saying that because RAM is relatively cheap?
RAM is relatively cheap so may as well get the fastest that fits your budget. PCIe 3.0 8x saturation is only possible with high end ssd's and raid cards currently.
 
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Would the ASUS X99 Pro serve me well? It seems to be USB 3.1 compatible with better reviews than the motherboard you linked to, but at a price increase. I guess, I don't know what the point of the more expensive motherboards is. If we are only talking 100MHz difference on frequency final core frequency (not BCLK), I can live without spending another $200 for a motherboard as fancy as yours (though I probably would spend it if I didn't have other things to pay for in life).
 
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Based upon the initial suggestions here, and browsing similar threads, I have come up with the following 2 options. Suggestions or changes? Anything that would improve my overclocking capabilities? Which is better for primarily gaming and would be the most future proof? I'm leaning towards the 5820K setup.
6700K http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gqLnRB
5820K http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vBx6TW

If my TRUE120 fits RAM with my current rig, should I worry about getting a new cooler that will fit for sure?

Finally, is there a similar motherboard that does RAID-0 through native M.2 ports? I cannot find one that is reasonably priced.
 
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You should be aware that not all X99 CPU´s can work with high speed DDR4 RAM as they where never meant for those.
When you get above 2666 MHz you might have problems getting it to work, i say dont bother and just stick with 2666 MHz if you are going with X99.

X99 dont even gain much from high speed RAM anyway so its a bit pointless really.
If you want high speed RAM and want it to work and gain anything from it you need to go with Z170.

As for other parts i would get a Noctua or other high end dual tower air cooler.
And for a PSU either a Corsair RMx or an EVGA SuperNova G2/P2, wattage will depend on the rest of the parts picked.

Dont know much about cases but look at Phanteks and see if you like any of their cases.
 
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So you're saying my current PSU and cooler will not work? It is an Ultra X3 1000W, so it should not be a problem I'd think, though granted it is several years old. The only issue with the cooler I have would be if it would fit with RAM on both sides, which is one of my questions.

As for the RAM, those motherboards state you can have OCed RAM to 3200MHz. I was also thinking about switching over to a 5930K and an ASUS Sabertooth with an M.2 SSD. So 3200MHz RAM is not possible on that motherboard even?

If I go with a Z170, how can I guarantee I won't have bandwidth issues with dual GPU and an M.2 drive? Those seem to have less capacity than the Haswell-E variety.
 
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No dont keep the Ultra X3 its very very old (9 years here in 2016) and really not all that great.
Ripple suppression on the 5v rail is so bad its 10mv out of ATX specifications so no dont keep it.

And i said not all X99´s can work with RAM that fast as in it might work or might not, but again you gain almost nothing with 2666+ MHz on X99 so its a bit pointless and a waste of money.

Pretty sure your old cooler dont fit any of the newer sockets.
 
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You can also buy a retention bracket for my current cooler that makes it work for socket 1155 and 2011-v3. It's made by the same manufacturer as the cooler itself. If I go with the Noctua DH-15, will I know for sure it will fit with all the RAM for either the Z170 or X99 chipset? Do I need to lap the base like I did for my current cooler?

Suggesting the PSU isn't good means JohnnyGuru's review years back was a fabrication, which would be unfortunate. Or are you suggesting in relation to what is available today it isn't that great? The voltage ripple was one of its selling points back then. But OK, if I need a new PSU, what should I be going with? I imagine I could get away with a 750W machine for dual GPUs and an M.2 drive and a handful of peripherals.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but quad channel DDR4 @ 2666 (Haswell) should still be faster than dual channel DDR4 @ 3600 (Skylake), right? So it seems to me Haswell is still the better option, unless you have any thoughts on my PCIe capacity question on the Z170? I have found this RAM at a good price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233740
It's the same price as the 2666MHz version so I have some headroom on the RAM.
 
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The Nocuta NH-D15S with fit on X99 without blocking either RAM or the top PCI-E slot, i have one myself so you can check out my sig as to how it looks.
But if you can use your old cooler on X99 and Z170 you might as well just do that and save money.

And did you read the JohnnyGuru review? it says clear as day 60mv rippe on the 5v rail which means its 10mv outside of ATX specifications that and the age means you should not keep it.
The 5v rail is what powers the motherboard chipset and the USB as well as hard drive circuitry, so by keeping the old Ultra X3 you risk doing damage to all of those and thats not worth it.

As for which PSU the Corsair RMx and the EVGA SuperNova G2/P2 is the best bang for buck out right now.

And dont ask me about dual vs quad RAM thats sort of beyond my somewhat basic knowledge.
Can only tell you what i have seen others report.
 
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The overall review was glowing, if we're talking about the same review. What think you of this power supply?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438018&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Power+Supplies-_-N82E16817438018&gclid=CjwKEAiA__C1BRDqyJOQ8_Tq230SJABWBSxnBpIX9pUipvjBitonh2pUUNRWU0Bg_jwUxtPOSUQpGxoCkBnw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

(It is supposed to be the newer XR version.)

Looks like my budget is blown out of the water, but oh well. I won't upgrade again for several years, other than the GPU, so I don't see a problem with it unless the Z170 would be a better platform for gaming.
 
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The overall review was glowing, if we're talking about the same review. What think you of this power supply?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438018&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Power+Supplies-_-N82E16817438018&gclid=CjwKEAiA__C1BRDqyJOQ8_Tq230SJABWBSxnBpIX9pUipvjBitonh2pUUNRWU0Bg_jwUxtPOSUQpGxoCkBnw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

(It is supposed to be the newer XR version.)

Looks like my budget is blown out of the water, but oh well. I won't upgrade again for several years, other than the GPU, so I don't see a problem with it unless the Z170 would be a better platform for gaming.
The GS is a rebranded Seasonic KM3 and it has better voltage regulation then the G2, on the other hand the ripple suppression is a little bit worse but only by tiny amounts (25mv on the GS vs 15mv on the G2)
Looking at the price of the GS and its lack of in-cable caps i would pick the GS over the G2, the GS is also 10mm shorter if that matters.

But you dont need an 850 watt PSU unless you are going to have more then one video card.
 
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Almost forgot the NH-D15S only comes with a single NF-A15 PWM fan so if you want to have two you are going to have to buy one lose.
You do get fan clips for 2 fans with the NH-D15S you just only get one in the box and the second you have to buy yourself.

As for the RAM they might work after you have updated the BIOS to the lastest version as that sometimes fixes the high speed RAM issue.
 
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Well, $60 difference for 333MHz in speed is probably not worth it as you pointed out, especially if I'm not guaranteed for it to work. If I find a better deal by the end of the weekend for more expensive RAM I may jump on it.

When you said "GS" in your post about the power supplies, did you mean the Seasonic?

Did you have to lap the base of your cooler? I may just purchase the Noctua to be safe and sell my current one to go with the rest of the setup.

Do you think I will ever need more than 850W for future dual GPUs? I would assume power consumption would only go down.

The base platform (CPU and motherboard) I will keep for several years, only the GPUs will change, so having more base capacity for upgrading would be my requirement at this point, which I think use of the 5930K/X99 allows. Thank you for your help!
 
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Unless you plan to overvolt your gpu's an 850w will be plenty for a 2 way sli/crossfire setup.
 
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I will not be overvolting. I only worry about GPU power requirements increasing, though I would think that's a long shot.
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The overall review was glowing, if we're talking about the same review. What think you of this power supply?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438018&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Power+Supplies-_-N82E16817438018&gclid=CjwKEAiA__C1BRDqyJOQ8_Tq230SJABWBSxnBpIX9pUipvjBitonh2pUUNRWU0Bg_jwUxtPOSUQpGxoCkBnw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

(It is supposed to be the newer XR version.)

Looks like my budget is blown out of the water, but oh well. I won't upgrade again for several years, other than the GPU, so I don't see a problem with it unless the Z170 would be a better platform for gaming.
The GS is a rebranded Seasonic KM3 and it has better voltage regulation then the G2, on the other hand the ripple suppression is a little bit worse but only by tiny amounts (25mv on the GS vs 15mv on the G2)
Looking at the price of the GS and its lack of in-cable caps i would pick the GS over the G2, the GS is also 10mm shorter if that matters.

But you dont need an 850 watt PSU unless you are going to have more then one video card.
You seem to be mentioning 3 different units here. Which is the GS? Are you saying given the price ($10 less) the Seasonic X-850 is your recommendation over the EVGA Supernova G2 850W?
 
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You have not linked the Seasonic X at any point (that i have seen)
You have linked the EVGA SuperNova GS (which is a Seasonic X rebranded) and the EVGA SuperNova G2 (which is a Super Flower Leadex rebranded)
 
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Ah, the link was wrong. The GS is the model below G2. I see now. It is just referred to as G in the photos on Newegg. Thanks!

FYI I linked to the Seasonic X-850 as a possible replacement to the G2 given price. From what you're saying that wouldn't be smart, go with the GS/G instead of not going with the G2.
 
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