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All good news for W10 on older hardware according to this article ...

http://www.zdnet.com/article/yes-windows-10-runs-great-on-old-hardware/
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Internet-based keyboard commandos are fond of making claims that are built on nothing more than a guess or prejudice. One such claim that I've been coming across regularly is that Windows 10 is a total pig on older systems and should be avoided at all costs because otherwise you'll run into all sorts of problems.

Lots of people have upgraded older W7/8.1 systems to W10 with the belief that the devices will function well for years to come under this OS. Other than a catastrophic
hardware problem rendering the older system unusable, W10 is licensed and supported for the 'life of the device' (W10 EULA). MS having provided generic drivers as a
replacement for Partner and OEM unsupported drivers has created the expectation that this will also continue for years to come.

- Is it realistic to believe that W10 will not evolve past the capabilities of older hardware, sooner rather than later?
- Is it realistic to assume that as W10 evolves, performance degradation on older hardware will not be an issue ?

As windows updates are mandatory on W10, updates and new builds can not be rejected, so what if one of those new builds renders an older PC as no longer W10
compatible, with the KB declaring that certain devices are at 'end of life on W10'. Generic drivers for the effected devices also ditched through WU due to EOL status.
Support for the 'life of the device' under the W10 EULA finally explained and the possible answer to how long will it last.
post #2 of 39
The problem with the article is that it sticks to the here and now like you point out.

What people should also be looking out for is the asterisks that come with said support period:

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Updates are cumulative, with each update built upon all of the updates that preceded it. A device needs to install the latest update to remain supported. Updates may include new features, fixes (security and/or non-security), or a combination of both. Not all features in an update will work on all devices. A device may not be able to receive updates if the device hardware is incompatible, lacking current drivers, or otherwise outside of the Original Equipment Manufacturer’s (“OEM”) support period. Update availability may vary, for example by country, region, network connectivity, mobile operator (e.g., for cellular-capable devices), or hardware capabilities (including, e.g., free disk space).

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle


For reference, they changed the hardware requirements from 8 -> 8.1 64-bit in what is an unprecedented move for what is technically a Service Pack that you must install if you want support past January 2016. They did it once and the three clauses above mean that they can do it again.
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I love how a QX9650 is considered 'old hardware'.

 

Yeah, it's old hardware, but it still punches way above its weight, and it's not indicative at all of 'old systems'.

   
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I love how a QX9650 is considered 'old hardware'.

Yeah, it's old hardware, but it still punches way above its weight, and it's not indicative at all of 'old systems'.

And 8 GB of RAM.
 
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Heh the system they tested on wasn't even "old". It's pretty much still on par with budget gaming systems these days.
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Lets see how well Windows 10 will run on my single core Sempron, 2GB RAM, and GeForce 7600GS machine... Oh wait, it wont.
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Something I've noticed is that most of the people claiming that Windows 10 is "snappier" than 7/8 are comparing a brand new clean install of 10 to a long established installation of the old OS. If they simply clean reinstalled the existing OS, they may very well find it to be just as responsive (thanks to the defragmentation and de-bloating inherent to the process).

It might be similar to the phenomenon of people comparing old, worn out CRTs to brand new LCDs and coming away with distorted views on the strengths of each technology.

That said, I have found Windows 10 to be marginally more responsive on systems with mechanical HDDs. I think it may be due to improved prefetching systems. I compared clean installs of Windows 7 vs Windows 10 on several old PCs (E6410 laptop with i7-M640 4GB RAM, old desktop PC with C2D E8400 2GB RAM, etc.) On old systems with SSDs, Windows 7 felt faster, and with HDDs, 10 edged ahead.

As for driver compatibility issues, I encountered very few, maybe two across all systems.
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W10 definitely runs better than 7/8.1, I've seen it consistently across all my machines. Now, my slowest box in terms of responsiveness is a VM using 2 cores and 2GB of RAM on my hypervisor (AMD A10-5700) and a mechanical drive shared among 4 guests, but of course it's a VM so it's not entirely representative of a physica box.

   
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Something I've noticed is that most of the people claiming that Windows 10 is "snappier" than 7/8 are comparing a brand new clean install of 10 to a long established installation of the old OS.
It's still snappier, though.
    
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It's still snappier, though.

Not in my experience (except on mech HDDs as above).

When 10 first came out I thought it was faster, and I even said so on some forums. I think that came down to placebo and me wanting to believe that it was faster, because when I re-tested it at TH2, windows 7 was definitely more responsive [on the old systems].
Edited by Oubadah - 2/8/16 at 5:03pm
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