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post #101 of 161
For SoC heat and power requirements are their biggest problem.
For desktop, I'm sure we will still get powerful enough CPUs. No need to go bananas.
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i'd like to bring up a point.

the current trend for computation devices are compactness, intel itself have been pushing "NUC" desktops.
in the long run we may even stop using the standard desktop builds, compact NUCs or even hand-held devices would replace them.
imagine your phone could be docked on a station, and as such use your phone as a highly mobile desktop computer.

even from the market's point of view, the volume of sales in the mobile segment out scales the entire desktop segment as a whole.
we see billions of phones sold each year, compared to a couple of hundred million desktops, you can clearly see where the market is at.


now as for why reduction in power consumption is a major matter in this, even at the cost of reducing speed, its because compact devices doesn't have the proper room for cooling.
due to their innately small chassis, they don't have big heatsinks, which is why their TDPs are ultimately limited to how much the cooling can cope with, phones are a good example.

At work we actually already use intel NUCs for all monitoring pcs and the emergency medicine cabinet. (I work in ICU)

Those NUCs are adequate if maintained properly. Dust and thermal throttling are a PITA in such a busy workplace. Computers really don't receive the care they deserve.
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I think I see Intel's end game here.

Their current high-end CPU's are the benchmark of the industry. The goal is to continue to improve their processors slightly while reducing power consumption. In other words, imagine the power of a 5960X... in a smartphone that is able to last with 24-48 hours of screen-on time.

That's the goal. No telling what sort of devices would come out of this sort of advancement. I'm sure a "smartphone" will be outdated by that point. thumb.gif




Of course, there is always the idea that eventually the "CPU" as we know it will become outdated. Instead, devices will function similarly to that of brain cells where each one helps to complete a task, but the device will not function a peak performance without being connected to other devices. This is the "Internet of Things" end game.

Personally, I welcome our new Electronic Overlords. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

I think I see Intel's end game here.

Their current high-end CPU's are the benchmark of the industry. The goal is to continue to improve their processors slightly while reducing power consumption. In other words, imagine the power of a 5960X... in a smartphone that is able to last with 24-48 hours of screen-on time.

That's the goal. No telling what sort of devices would come out of this sort of advancement. I'm sure a "smartphone" will be outdated by that point. thumb.gif




Of course, there is always the idea that eventually the "CPU" as we know it will become outdated. Instead, devices will function similarly to that of brain cells where each one helps to complete a task, but the device will not function a peak performance without being connected to other devices. This is the "Internet of Things" end game.

Personally, I welcome our new Electronic Overlords. biggrin.gif

If only we can figure out how to efficiently split up computing tasks like that it could be really impressive. Right now it is hard to imagine distributed computing working well for all tasks. It has been hard to avoid being limited by single threaded performance for many applications even today, nearly 10 years after two or more cores became normal for consumer desktops. However, I do believe software has a lot of room to improve in ways we cannot predict, humans have not been doing software for very long yet.

There are also new CPU designs, like this chip from IBM, so if we figure out how to program it we might meet the overlords sooner than expected. wink.gif
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Intel, listen to me very carefully: We. Do. Not. Care. About. Power. Consumption! Save that crap for the mobile market, for desktops we only care about performance and performance is the only thing that will make us drop more $$$ for your latest and "greatest" CPU's. Better power consumption? No thanks, you can keep that...
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Last I checked, startrek intelligent computer isnt reality yet,

physics simulation that is 99.9% as real as the real world isnt here yet.
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Intel, listen to me very carefully: We. Do. Not. Care. About. Power. Consumption! Save that crap for the mobile market, for desktops we only care about performance and performance is the only thing that will make us drop more $$$ for your latest and "greatest" CPU's. Better power consumption? No thanks, you can keep that...

Here is the thing. People want the whole package. They probably see way more Mobile ULV CPUs then Desktop CPUs especially K parts. To me gaming wise the CPU is only an enabler for the GPU. For Mobile its does the enabling and graphics. I am fine with current Intel CPUs but the U parts could still improve greatly. My Surface Pro in the future will have stronger graphics, run at rated clock speeds while running cool instead of running hot/loud and slow. Right now if they only fix TDP while keeping same performance they would increase performance 50% where cooling is limited.

You want a fast gaming CPU? Get a 6700K and OC it. Pair it with super fast DDR4 and it will be faster then SB/IVY/Haswell. If you don't believe me then the reason why it does not seem as fast because games in general are not CPU limited.
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Here is the thing. People want the whole package. They probably see way more Mobile ULV CPUs then Desktop CPUs especially K parts. To me gaming wise the CPU is only an enabler for the GPU. For Mobile its does the enabling and graphics. I am fine with current Intel CPUs but the U parts could still improve greatly. My Surface Pro in the future will have stronger graphics, run at rated clock speeds while running cool instead of running hot/loud and slow. Right now if they only fix TDP while keeping same performance they would increase performance 50% where cooling is limited.

You want a fast gaming CPU? Get a 6700K and OC it. Pair it with super fast DDR4 and it will be faster then SB/IVY/Haswell. If you don't believe me then the reason why it does not seem as fast because games in general are not CPU limited.

Certainly the current high end CPU's (or even the last few generations of CPU's) are plenty fast enough for gaming and general desktop use. That's kind of my point. If Intel wishes me to come up off of the $600 or more they charge for a new one they are damn sure gonna have to offer me something more enticing than some yawn-inducing energy savings and "green" marketing. I'll just sit here happily with my IB-E...
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Certainly the current high end CPU's (or even the last few generations of CPU's) are plenty fast enough for gaming and general desktop use. That's kind of my point. If Intel wishes me to come up off of the $600 or more they charge for a new one they are damn sure gonna have to offer me something more enticing than some yawn-inducing energy savings and "green" marketing. I'll just sit here happily with my IB-E...

The market its so small and its easier to just get server CPUs which have more Cores. Increasing IPC is a lot of work. They can sell CPU for Tablets/Ultrabook because they don't care if the latest model is 5% faster etc..
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The market its so small and its easier to just get server CPUs which have more Cores. Increasing IPC is a lot of work. They can sell CPU for Tablets/Ultrabook because they don't care if the latest model is 5% faster etc..

Sure, but they have a fight on their hands in the tablet and phone sector unlike the monopoly they enjoy in the x86 market. Don't forget that, although products like the Surface Pro enjoy the power of x86 compatibility, they are still far too expensive to make up the majority of tablet sales and ARM chips dominate that market...
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