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I don't see the point of separating CPUs into 'tiers', at least not for a tech literate audience. Maybe "Entry level", "worthwhile depending on usage", and "more money than sense". I can count the CPUs in the second category with one hand.
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Actually, its not a bad thing. We are getting 4 cores and mainstream apps is not even able to utilise it.
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Actually, its not a bad thing. We are getting 4 cores and mainstream apps is not even able to utilise it.
For THAT to change, Intel and AMD need to stop selling 2 core parts as desktop processors.
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It's time for a "Moar Corez" strategy. We need 6-core i5's and 6-core 12 threads i7's into the mainstream. This will make me buy them. For now I don't have any serious reason to drop 700 euros for a cpu+mobo+ram upgrade.Which is not a bad thing.
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thats too broad, that would include entry/budget builders that aren't exactly aiming for poor quality parts.
what you're relating to is simply "custom builders" in the most general category.
then you can further split them off by parts tier their often aim for, and how often they upgrade.

rather, "enthusiast" in a sense should be related to GPU/CPU hierarchy.
e.g.
entry = GTX750 / i3 2core-4thread
mid-tier = GTX950~GTX960 / i5 4core-4thread
high-tier = GTX970~GTX980 / i7 4core-8thread
enthusiast = GTX980Ti~Titan / LGA2011

so in this case, enthusiasts would often target GTX980Ti tier GPUs, and LGA2011 tier platforms.
but that doesn't mean enthusiasts won't extend down, rather you'd look at their spending habits.
e.g. an enthusiast can aim for an i7 4core-8thread and pair it with GTX980Ti then do a custom loop in an SFF build.
which means to say an enthusiast can be considered by how much they're willing to pay for their rig or rigs.

i'd say:
entry builders should be <$1000
mid-tier builders should be $1000~$1500
high-end builders should be $1500~$2000
enthusiast builders should be $2000+
that is not true, the margin intel gains for the desktop consumer market is minimal, compared to the +$1000~+$3000 per chip margin they gain on E5 and E7 xeons.
plus, the K SKUs they have on desktops are the extreme minority, they get more bins for the locked chips and E3 xeon chips.

e.g. theres only i7-4790K and i7-4770K on the Haswell i7-K SKUs or unlocked 4core-8thread SKUs in general.
but theres i7-4790, i7-4790S, i7-4790T, i7-4785T, i7-4771, i7-4770, i7-4770S, i7-4770T, i7-4770TE, i7-4765T, E3-1230 v3, E3-1230L v3, E3-1231 v3, E3-1240 v3, E3-1240L v3, E3-1241 v3, E3-1245 v3, etc.

so what if both i7-4790K and i7-4770K have 50% more margin than the rest of the chip? its like 5% of Intel's full line-up, what they earn from the K SKUs are a drop in the bucket.

So according to your definition I am only a high tier if you count the hard ware? I've dropped 3k into this build and while I am going to x99 as soon as broadwell e comes out I think this 2600k has served it's function! I definitely consider myself an enthusiast! I think most of the regulars on OCN are even the ones with i3s and GTX 760s
 
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post #146 of 161
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So according to your definition I am only a high tier if you count the hard ware? I've dropped 3k into this build and while I am going to x99 as soon as broadwell e comes out I think this 2600k has served it's function! I definitely consider myself an enthusiast! I think most of the regulars on OCN are even the ones with i3s and GTX 760s

Enthusiast is the designation to the hardware bracket, not your enthusuasm. It's not a hit against you or your commitment. All enthusiast class CPU's end with an -e In the name. Above that is server class, and below is high, mid range, low.

But... your hardware classification doesn't determine how much of an enthusiast you are.
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post #147 of 161
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Enthusiast is the designation to the hardware bracket, not your enthusuasm. It's not a hit against you or your commitment. All enthusiast class CPU's end with an -e In the name. Above that is server class, and below is high, mid range, low.

But... your hardware classification doesn't determine how much of an enthusiast you are.

Ah ok I must have misunderstood the context of the comment. Apologies.
 
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post #148 of 161
Still sitting here with an X5660 and a 3570k, seeing no reason to upgrade apart from DDR4. Which isn't a big enough reason.

Almost missing my i7 950 even. I bet I wouldn't even be having problems with that.
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Enthusiast is the designation to the hardware bracket, not your enthusuasm. It's not a hit against you or your commitment. All enthusiast class CPU's end with an -e In the name. Above that is server class, and below is high, mid range, low.

But... your hardware classification doesn't determine how much of an enthusiast you are.

I don't get it. Which processor end with an -e?
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I don't get it. Which processor end with an -e?

Ivybridge-E, Haswell-E, Broadwell-E, etc. Not the model numbers but the platform names.
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