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Ivybridge-E, Haswell-E, Broadwell-E, etc. Not the model numbers but the platform names.

Oh. That would make for a very small enthousiast market.
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I still love my IB-E! I'm an enthusiast!! tongue.gif
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Intel

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Enthusiast is someone who doesn't buy an OEM PC and builds their own or buys a custom PC with better than the lowest quality components.
thats too broad, that would include entry/budget builders that aren't exactly aiming for poor quality parts.
what you're relating to is simply "custom builders" in the most general category.
then you can further split them off by parts tier their often aim for, and how often they upgrade.

rather, "enthusiast" in a sense should be related to GPU/CPU hierarchy.
e.g.
entry = GTX750 / i3 2core-4thread
mid-tier = GTX950~GTX960 / i5 4core-4thread
high-tier = GTX970~GTX980 / i7 4core-8thread
enthusiast = GTX980Ti~Titan / LGA2011

so in this case, enthusiasts would often target GTX980Ti tier GPUs, and LGA2011 tier platforms.
but that doesn't mean enthusiasts won't extend down, rather you'd look at their spending habits.
e.g. an enthusiast can aim for an i7 4core-8thread and pair it with GTX980Ti then do a custom loop in an SFF build.
which means to say an enthusiast can be considered by how much they're willing to pay for their rig or rigs.

i'd say:
entry builders should be <$1000
mid-tier builders should be $1000~$1500
high-end builders should be $1500~$2000
enthusiast builders should be $2000+
 
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The margins on higher end parts is enormous. The price Intel command for K over non-K shows how much they earn.
that is not true, the margin intel gains for the desktop consumer market is minimal, compared to the +$1000~+$3000 per chip margin they gain on E5 and E7 xeons.
plus, the K SKUs they have on desktops are the extreme minority, they get more bins for the locked chips and E3 xeon chips.

e.g. theres only i7-4790K and i7-4770K on the Haswell i7-K SKUs or unlocked 4core-8thread SKUs in general.
but theres i7-4790, i7-4790S, i7-4790T, i7-4785T, i7-4771, i7-4770, i7-4770S, i7-4770T, i7-4770TE, i7-4765T, E3-1230 v3, E3-1230L v3, E3-1231 v3, E3-1240 v3, E3-1240L v3, E3-1241 v3, E3-1245 v3, etc.

so what if both i7-4790K and i7-4770K have 50% more margin than the rest of the chip? its like 5% of Intel's full line-up, what they earn from the K SKUs are a drop in the bucket.

Intel command a 60% margin on their chips, AMD traditionally had a 45% margin. Now I assume AMD's are lower whereas Intel's higher. Whether we are only worth 5% of their income that 5% is tens to hundreds of millions of USD.

 

And according to your pricing hardly anyone is an enthusiast as very few people spend that kind of money on their PC's and thus by your own standards you aren't even entry level, you are no level. Your elitist attitude makes no sense whatsoever as it's possible to build a very basic entry level internet machine for less than 200 USD excluding screen.

 

Edit: by your standards a real driver is someone who drives the most expensive cars and only the Tianhe is a supercomputer because none of the others break an X amount of FLOPS.


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So according to your definition I am only a high tier if you count the hard ware? I've dropped 3k into this build and while I am going to x99 as soon as broadwell e comes out I think this 2600k has served it's function! I definitely consider myself an enthusiast! I think most of the regulars on OCN are even the ones with i3s and GTX 760s

Totally agree, he's just being elitist without realising that he himself doesn't fit in his own categories.

 

I have spend god knows how much on my PC and whether I'm considered enthusiast or not is irrelevant to me. Look down on me all you like, with or without your hexa or octa core X chip. I am pleased with the performance of my chip and my priorities lie elsewhere now, not with epeen.

 

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I still love my IB-E! I'm an enthusiast!! tongue.gif

No you are not, according to epic1337 you don't have a Titan or 98TI SLI thus you are out of luck.

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you guys sure know how to read, keep up your misunderstandings. thumb.gif

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Intel
Intel command a 60% margin on their chips, AMD traditionally had a 45% margin. Now I assume AMD's are lower whereas Intel's higher. Whether we are only worth 5% of their income that 5% is tens to hundreds of millions of USD.

intel hardly cares about that little gains, they care more about market shares.

they even lose billions of USD to their atom SKUs just to keep their foot-hold against ARM chips.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-4-billion-loss-mobile,28413.html
Edited by epic1337 - 2/12/16 at 11:17pm
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you guys sure know how to read, keep up your misunderstandings. thumb.gif
 
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Intel
Intel command a 60% margin on their chips, AMD traditionally had a 45% margin. Now I assume AMD's are lower whereas Intel's higher. Whether we are only worth 5% of their income that 5% is tens to hundreds of millions of USD.

intel hardly cares about that little gains, they care more about market shares.

they even lose billions of USD to their atom SKUs just to keep their foot-hold against ARM chips.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-4-billion-loss-mobile,28413.html

We may be a small market share but we, enthusiasts, spend billions and you are deluded if you think either AMD, nVidia or Intel are going to walk away from this market. If servers were all that mattered nVidia would stop making consumer cards and release Tesla's only and Intel would release Xeon Phi's and Xeon's only.

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We may be a small market share but we, enthusiasts, spend billions and you are deluded if you think either AMD, nVidia or Intel are going to walk away from this market. If servers were all that mattered nVidia would stop making consumer cards and release Tesla's only and Intel would release Xeon Phi's and Xeon's only.

the desktop line isn't as large as the server market which intel dominates, you can even see the difference between the huge amount of varying xeons compared to desktop SKUs.
and i didn't say they'd abandon the desktop market, OEMs still wants their CPUs.
plus i'm only arguing about the "K" SKUs profits, not the entire desktop line.
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so what if both i7-4790K and i7-4770K have 50% more margin than the rest of the chip? its like 5% of Intel's full line-up, what they earn from the K SKUs are a drop in the bucket.

Edited by epic1337 - 2/13/16 at 4:36am
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I think news posts should be automatically closed after 20 or so pages because 99% of the time people people are not even remotely talking about the original topic anymore
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I think news posts should be automatically closed after 20 or so pages because 99% of the time people people are not even remotely talking about the original topic anymore

the arguements had went towards whether the overclock-able chips should be emphasized, which is the total opposite of the topic, but related.

or rather, they're against intel's approach in reducing power consumption even at the cost of reducing performance.
they simply don't understand the benefits in doing so, now we were providing some information as to why this is more profitable to intel in the long term.
Edited by epic1337 - 2/13/16 at 4:34am
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Totally agree, he's just being elitist without realising that he himself doesn't fit in his own categories.

I have spend god knows how much on my PC and whether I'm considered enthusiast or not is irrelevant to me. Look down on me all you like, with or without your hexa or octa core X chip. I am pleased with the performance of my chip and my priorities lie elsewhere now, not with epeen.

No you are not, according to epic1337 you don't have a Titan or 98TI SLI thus you are out of luck.

Lol, I forgot the /s
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