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post #61 of 161
It really doesnt matter in the end.
Computation is moving towards more cores instead of less but higher clocks. Todays Xenon chips got a ton of cores.

Consumer CPUs are more than fast enough to feed the system the processing power it needs.

GPUs is whats holding us back. Both for simulation/computation and for gaming. And there is no way they can reduce development here. Too much interest from the industry require more power which benefit us enthusiasts
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Just force intel to give Samsung a x86 licence already! Tired of this monopoly from Intel.
If samsung wanted it, they have more then enough leverage to get it. But the desktop market is simply not a growth area. If you start to produce desktops, you will lose money. Intel is down 20% in the last 5 years.
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Intel's goal since the disastrous Bulldozer release has been this ~ heck i wrote about it back in 2012 ~ what they want is to take today's desktop cpu and put it into every mobile device in the planet. In short they want today's performance paired with SOC ARM power draw and size. This has been the windmill they've been tilting at every generation of chip. NOT more performance, but MORE performance/watt.

This isn't new news. It's just no one paid attention. I've been saying for 5 years now, intel isn't competing against AMD, they're competing against ARM. My conclusion 5 years ago is the same as my current one, which is "at some point desktop performance will stop improving" thanks in no small part due to lack of competition. If Zen doesn't compete/resurrect AMD, then expect Skylake to be the pinnacle of Intel desktop performance.

They are not completing against arm, they ARE arm. Intel is the largest buyer of arm licenses. If intel was competing against arm, they would simply stop buying from them to the tune of 1 billion dollars a year. Intel actually buys more arm products then samsung does.

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It really seems like Intel has really been doing "just enough" since 2011 and now this?

Well what do you want. Software has been doing just enough since 2005. It is really hard to make facebook load faster then they currently are. This is not a hardware problem, this is simply a software problem. I have an old machine, and it will only peg handbrake at 80% cpu. Handbrake simply can not use all the resources available.

Take a look at this.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7189/choosing-a-gaming-cpu-september-2013/8

Some of the most cpu intensive games simply can not use more then 4 cores.

Why should intel be blamed for something that software is doing? They created and released a 12 and 16 core processors. Why have the software side not stepped up?

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Wooo hoo, No CPU upgrades required for me....For welll ever doh.gif

WHY WHY WHY Intel.
Please please please AMD let ZEN be incredible. Please, im begging this of you.

Oh, you will upgrade. The next few generations are moving to a very low watt to performance base. But the performance will smoke the current generations.

Why, because they are going to reduce the clock speed to 3.0 or even 2.8. But add 12, 16, 32, and even 64 cores.

But that will require software to catch up.
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It really doesnt matter in the end.
Computation is moving towards more cores instead of less but higher clocks. Todays Xenon chips got a ton of cores.

Consumer CPUs are more than fast enough to feed the system the processing power it needs.

GPUs is whats holding us back. Both for simulation/computation and for gaming. And there is no way they can reduce development here. Too much interest from the industry require more power which benefit us enthusiasts

^ This

single thread applications are heading the way of the Dodo rapidly. Smaller, more efficient processors leads to more cores and more performance. Haswell-E brought us 8 core consumer cpus, Broadwell-E is bringing 10 core consumer cpu's. I would be surprised if by Cannonlake we don't see mainstream chips running 6 or 8 cores.

We are just going to MOAR COREZ! instead of MOAR GHZ!
post #64 of 161
As long as overall performance increases, will anyone really care about clock speeds?
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Intel has always been a company that adapts to change. We might consider Intel a CPU manufacturer, but in its early days it was a DRAM manufacturer. Their DRAM division was failing so they moved on. It makes sense that intel would shift their focus to more power efficiency. Honestly, I am looking forward to the Core m3 and m5 Compute Sticks. Just tried out their Atom x5 Cherry Trail based model, not much faster CPU wise than the original (many more iGPU improvements though), and i can only imagine how the m3 or m5 will make the device really useful.
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post #66 of 161
Face it, large unit desktop PC is a dying segment. It has to.

Smartphones, Google Glass, Oculus Rift. The end goal is to merge with technology through implants or cellular implants. It's the way it's going to be, and you can only achieve this if you focus on small sized mobile technology.

They're still focusing on performance/mm or perf/watt. They can always scale up.
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There is some good news to this, though. As with Nvidia's Kepler and then Maxwell architecture, Nvidia's goal has been performance/watt for years. However, because they have been able to reduce energy consumption on the same node, they have been able to increase performance. Intel probably isn't going to take the same road as CPUs and GPUs are fundamentally different from an architecture standpoint. However, we all knew this time was coming where performance would cease to be the goal, and energy efficiency would become the new benchmark.

This is how the "Internet of Things" is born, my friends. It may sound grim for enthusiasts, but oh boy are we headed for a crazy time from a computer tech standpoint. thumb.gif


I think that IoT will really take off once they get a fully functional voice activated household assistant program to handle functions. Needing an app to handle every different item in your home is a huge hassle, but being able to speak to an AI that can handle things would make it actually viable.
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I think that IoT will really take off once they get a fully functional voice activated household assistant program to handle functions. Needing an app to handle every different item in your home is a huge hassle, but being able to speak to an AI that can handle things would make it actually viable.

"Cortana, brew me a cup of coffee please"

I too am looking forward to this happening. Right now the industry is very segmented though, so your coffee pot and your dryer are not speaking the same language. I hate to think that we need intervention and standardization, but I dont foresee Samsung and LG getting on the same API without it.
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I feel bad for those working in the industry
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I have a 2500K (OC'd) and wish to upgrade. I am actually getting bottlenecked by my CPU in quite some games. (Also AMD CPU overhead).

I think 4/8 or 6/12 cores is the way to good with a healthy overclock and good RAM. More and more it seems like HT and good RAM is important. In some games I just can't get rock solid 60fps anymore.

While the 2500K is a great CPU and probably one of the most legendary CPUs in terms of price/performance and lengths of use I still feel like a need a new one.

I've had mine since release and only started overclocking it a week ago it seems pretty solid for 4.8ghz @ 1.34,would of kept my 920 i7 if i didnt break it tbh (she was a beaut.. running 5ghz stable on water tongue.gif)

i dont do much work stuff on this pc only gaming and small encoding projects, this has been the best value for money i've had ..maybe ever.
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