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post #91 of 161
i'd like to bring up a point.

the current trend for computation devices are compactness, intel itself have been pushing "NUC" desktops.
in the long run we may even stop using the standard desktop builds, compact NUCs or even hand-held devices would replace them.
imagine your phone could be docked on a station, and as such use your phone as a highly mobile desktop computer.

even from the market's point of view, the volume of sales in the mobile segment out scales the entire desktop segment as a whole.
we see billions of phones sold each year, compared to a couple of hundred million desktops, you can clearly see where the market is at.


now as for why reduction in power consumption is a major matter in this, even at the cost of reducing speed, its because compact devices doesn't have the proper room for cooling.
due to their innately small chassis, they don't have big heatsinks, which is why their TDPs are ultimately limited to how much the cooling can cope with, phones are a good example.
Edited by epic1337 - 2/9/16 at 5:08pm
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"Yeah but your VR game running at 20 frames a second will only use 5 Watts of power"

This is the nightmare we're headed for.
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"Yeah but your VR game running at 20 frames a second will only use 5 Watts of power"

This is the nightmare we're headed for.
-"Run it 4 times, deck the frames, play it back."
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My upcoming 5820k build should last a long time thumb.gif
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My upcoming 5820k build should last a long time thumb.gif

Isn't Broadwell-E coming out in a month or two? If it's an upcoming build, might as well throw one of them in there instead of a Haswell-E.
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Isn't Broadwell-E coming out in a month or two? If it's an upcoming build, might as well throw one of them in there instead of a Haswell-E.

I'd guess Broadwell-E would be June at the earliest.
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Intel in 10 years:

"1 Calculation a second, but only .00000000000001 Watts"

Eventually their strategy will be to sell nothing. That uses no power. biggrin.gif
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I'd guess Broadwell-E would be June at the earliest.

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Isn't Broadwell-E coming out in a month or two? If it's an upcoming build, might as well throw one of them in there instead of a Haswell-E.

The thing is, Broadwell doesn't overclock well. I'd be interested to see what's the case with the Broadwell-E chips, especially that 10-core monster. Haswell-E overclocks like a dream.
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Intel in 10 years:

"1 Calculation a second, but only .00000000000001 Watts"

Eventually their strategy will be to sell nothing. That uses no power. biggrin.gif

I don't mind Intel dawdling for a while; hopefully Zen will hit them like a sucker punch (hopefully).
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So development time is a factor in whether or not to purchase Zen when it comes out? Again, headscratch.gif:

That's not at all what I said. I was referring to the fact that AMD is so far behind and so slow with new archs/die shrinks that even if they can achieve a 30 to 40% performance increase with ZEN. It's still 2 cycles behind Intel. So why should Intel be aiming for pure performance, if the several years of development on ZEN are anything to go by, it'll take AMD long enough to catch up to Intel for them to stay in front easily.

Edit: That is until standard Silicon gets obsolete to achieve die shrinks and the like. A transition to graphene or whatever will be even worse for AMD. Even for Intel this will be a big investment.
Edited by MoGTy - 2/10/16 at 3:17am
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