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Originally Posted by DNMock View Post

What? Wikipedia just does a donation drive every year to cover their costs, and it works.

If OCN went no adds, and stayed free, and did a donation drive whenever needed, I would donate, just like I do to wikipedia. OCN is a great resource with a strong community, I have little doubt that an annual donations drive would bring in more income than the ads ever could. No one is obligated to do so, but wikipedia is a great example of if you put out a good product, simply by asking for donations once a year to stay ad free you can easily cover the costs of operation and probably give yourself a nice salary to boot.

No trolling here, just saying there actually are models out there that have proven effective other than the archaic face smashing ads approach.

The catch is you have to actually be able to have a good product and a strong community. if you have a trash product with no real community support, yeah, the in your face ads are the only way to go. I'd prefer losing 10 trash websites on the net and gaining 1 quality website anyway to help reduce the clutter and spam.

That's not what you ORIGINALLY said.

Your original premise was that because Wikipedia was never updated, the ads don't have a purpose, IE, they don't deserve to make any money. - That's really kind of a horrifying stance.

I'm not disagreeing with the rest but, the stance of, "you don't update wikipedia so you don't deserve anything" when it costs hundreds of thousands yearly...Get where I'm coming from?

I don't disagree that the system currently in place isn't a good one...It's not...But, claiming you're essentially a Robin Hood because of how bad the ads have gotten is a misnomer. The ads are bad because we pushed them, here.

Like I said, you can't have this both ways...Unfortunately. This is an either - or industry and either way, we're going to do some serious collateral damage.
post #102 of 397
His original statement was intended to be sarcastic; the "wikipedia has been flooded with pop-up adds" bit should've been a dead giveaway.
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His original statement was intended to be sarcastic; the "wikipedia has been flooded with pop-up adds" bit should've been a dead giveaway.

The psychic network just called to remind everyone that sarcasm doesn't work over the internet due to TONE not being present.

Sorry. thumb.gif
post #104 of 397
I had no issues detecting the sarcasm, I guess I must be a psychic then.
post #105 of 397
I could tell it was sarcasm as well. I guess someone's detection meter is broken. tongue.gif
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Ads are obnoxious, period! The ads with voice (websites) are worse than obnoxious. These ads remove the ability of users to control what come to their home over their Internet connection. As for E-tailers using ads at their site where people go to PAY MONEY to BUY products, it is completely unnecessary and out of line. I can't say I don't use some of these sites, but I used to frequent them as a customer. Now I go to them if I need something I can't find elsewhere.

I get sick of advertising splashed all over everything everywhere. Television is a great example. Ads supposedly originally paid for over the air (free to use) TV signals. Along came cable and satellite with paid service. Their fees are supposed to take care of cable services and programming, but WHAM-O! We PAY to get overdosed with ads that now take up as much as 20 minutes of every 60 minutes of TV viewing. No wonder my TV watching comprises about 2 hours a week... maybe.

Stop using Adblocker? Not in this lifetime!
post #107 of 397
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It's not that they are evil for wanting people to support, it's that ads are out of hand. They are a huge burden on the site when there are 15 per page. This site has ads, but not tons of them and no pop ups for mobile. So it's bearable

I don't buy magazines because you get 10 pages of content and 60 pages of ads, and you had to buy it

Magazine ads don't force me to read them, make me wait so many seconds before I can turn the page to read the content I'm interested in, blare loud or otherwise obnoxious audio, throw pop-ups in my face, or display distracting animation or other video. I've never had a problem with magazine ads since I could choose to look at them or not, and I often did. The things I hate are the bound in card inserts that make it difficult to keep a certain page open.
     
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This thread is exhausting. I said in the 2nd comment of the thread I believe that websites just need to change their model. I even gave an example where radio stations do ads where the DJ actually does the advertisement themselves, right on the air.

What's to stop a news site from doing articles that are genuine and have affiliate links. Why not a yearly anti virus review with affiliate links to all of the programs, why not an interview with the creator of the app or some sort of hardware, why not plugs during interviews with affiliate links. Affiliate links are only hated when they're sneaky about it. If it's made clear that there is an affiliate link consumers will understand.

I fully undrstand that will take more work than just paying an ad company to fill their banners with advertisements. But if you can't adapt, you don't get to keep making money, that's the way entrepeneurship has always been.

Those ideas may be terrible, they may not be, I don't know, but my paycheck doesn't depend on coming up with an idea for it, theirs does. So instead of trying to ram ads or subscriptions down the throats of consumers who clearly reject them, modify your revenue model. Innovate a little bit.

If a company refuses to change and goes out of business, it's not the consumer's fault, some of you need to realize this. A company can't threaten consumers by saying "either watch our ads or pay us $4 a month or we're going out of business." Do you know who's going to feel bad about that?" Nobody.
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If a company refuses to change and goes out of business, it's not the consumer's fault, some of you need to realize this. A company can't threaten consumers by saying "either watch our ads or pay us $4 a month or we're going out of business." Do you know who's going to feel bad about that?" Nobody.

You mean until there aren't any left...Or the only one that's left is so biased, there is no original content - By which, you'll wish in hindsight, you had folded to their demands....
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it's a wonder the internet survived before ads, huh?
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