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The premise for your argument is flawed. Billboards don't jump in front of your car, but at the same time the highway isn't owned by the billboard company. The billboard company isn't paying the upkeep for the highway. When you visit a site, any site for that matter you download resources from that site, it costs the site owner money in bandwidth to provide content for free to you. Using your highway example using websites, a portion of the highway is paid for the site owner, and the portion of highway is paid by the user. However, as the user is trying to access the portion paid by the highway owner they are subject to the highway owner's rules. When you are sharing a site for 10 people, the costs are relatively small, but when you operate a site that is accessed by dozens, hundreds, or thousands, then you need some sort of revenue to pay the costs of dedicated servers, the bandwidth, and possibly people to keep on hand for downtime issues. None of which are cheap. Not many options for covering those costs. Don't even get me started on DDoS attacks.

Lets also be honest, nobody is putting a gun to your head and saying I want you to access Google. You CHOOSE to use Google. Same goes for any other site.

By your argument, switching the TV channel during a commercial break is just as "unethical."
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lol good luck
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Plus I think we're entering a era were sites are blaming ad-blocking for their failures to adapt, in the same way that video game companies blame piracy when some title doesn't perform as expected.

If you ran your business expecting 100% monetization efficiency on every web page delivered, you shouldn't be in a position to run a company.
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By your argument, switching the TV channel during a commercial break is just as "unethical."

What? Completely different things, TV ads don't have bandwidth limitations, in addition extra users probably have very little in terms of resource consumption for TV audiences, while websites have a lot more. In addition, if you skip an ad it doesn't change the fact that the advertiser has prepaid or is pays for their commercial or ad to be displayed during such and such time to X amount of estimated users. Web ads are billed per click or per 1000 impressions/views.
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Plus I think we're entering a era were sites are blaming ad-blocking for their failures to adapt, in the same way that video game companies blame piracy when some title doesn't perform as expected.

If you ran your business expecting 100% monetization efficiency on every web page delivered, you shouldn't be in a position to run a company.
Adapt to what? There are like a total of three ways to collect revenue. Donations, subscriptions, or ads. There is no hidden fourth adaption, unless you sell products and can use the profits or costs from the products to cover your website operational costs.

You can't measure lost sales to piracy, but you can measure how many users view your content with adblock. If 10 users viewed the page, but my ad network reported 6 page views, that means 4 users didn't load the ad. You can argue that maybe this is something else, but its not difficult to track which content a user downloads and which content a user does not download, or which content a user requests, but does not request.

Point being there should be an upwards statistical correlation if the amount of user views goes up then the amount of ad views should also go up.
Edited by Limes - 2/9/16 at 4:54pm
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What? Completely different things, TV ads don't have bandwidth limitations, in addition extra users probably have very little in terms of resource consumption for TV audiences, while websites have a lot more. In addition, if you skip an ad it doesn't change the fact that the advertiser has prepaid or is pays for their commercial or ad to be displayed during such and such time to X amount of estimated users. Web ads are billed per click or per 1000 impressions/views.

Well the online industry already has an answer - GET OFF PER CLICK BASED AD REVENUE. Website go to advertisers. "We have X views per month. We have Y percent of ad views per month. Let's negotiate."

The same way TV does it now. No TV advertiser actually expects 100% of a shows rating to all view the commercials. Why is it expected online?
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I personally think Ad blocks software went a bit too far on blocking.

If all the ad blocking only block ads that contains

Video/audio
Animated flash/html5

only allow static image. No popups etc. I want an internet like this.
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The premise for your argument is flawed.
it costs the site owner money in bandwidth to provide content for free to you.


Lets also be honest, nobody is putting a gun to your head and saying I want you to access Google. You CHOOSE to use Google. Same goes for any other site.

Of course my argument is flawed, I don't sit and spend quality time replying to many of the irrational comments of others. Flawed example or not, the reality remains the same. There is 100+ posts with better examples than mine that you can't pick apart, of course if you're trying to go in depth on this subject.
What exactly is free?

Is the internet I use to access the internet free? No.
Does it cost to money to buy a domain and pay for hosting on the internet? Yes.

If your lively hood depends on me viewing advertisements against my will then you might as well starve and disappear. Get a daytime job and host a website as a hobby, or don't give me ultimatums as to how I process your html code into my desired web browser.
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By your argument, switching the TV channel during a commercial break is just as "unethical."

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Edited by alphabet - 2/9/16 at 5:11pm
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Well the online industry already has an answer - GET OFF PER CLICK BASED AD REVENUE. Website go to advertisers. "We have X views per month. We have Y percent of ad views per month. Let's negotiate."

The same way TV does it now. No TV advertiser actually expects 100% of a shows rating to all view the commercials. Why is it expected online?

See my edit above firstly, since you quoted after I addressed your second point.

How does that change anything? If you are blocking ads before, it means you still block ads now. I fail to see how switching to CPM solves any of the gripes of the people complaining about ads now.

If you calculate that a rough estimate of 1/4th of your viewer base is using adblock, that means you are allowing 1/4th of your viewer base to view the content without ads. That means you either need to increase the costs to the advertiser or cut the people downloading content off, or evaluate a different model such as subscription or donation.
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Of course my argument is flawed, I don't sit and spend quality time replying to people who aren't worth that time or effort. Flawed example or not, the reality remains the same.
What exactly is free?

Is the internet I pay for to access the internet free? No.
Does it cost to money to buy a domain and pay for hosting on the internet? Yes.

If your lively hood depends on me viewing advertisements against my will then you might as well starve and disappear. Get a daytime job and host a website as a hobby, or don't give me ultimatums as to how I process your html code into my desired web browser.
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First off, nothing is against your will, quit making up nonsense. Is someone forcing you to access Wikipedia? Is someone forcing you to access Google? No. Don't like that site? You don't have to access it.

Content on the web that you access without paying is free. Period. You pay your ISP for the ability to have your connection routed to any IP address in the world, and to have the ability to have a pipe allocated to you with the promised download and upload speeds. That is what you pay for. That is literally what an ISP does for you.

I pay for a web server where I can publish my content (may that be videos, articles, etc). I also have to pay my hosting provider/ISP the ability to host that content, except I have to pay for it when someone consumes it. My web server does not go to your house, kick down the door, and say look at my website. You come to my site through your own methods and consume stuff from me. That is the whole basis for how web pages work.

Before you continue arguing with me on something that is fact, look up how the HTTP protocol operates. Its request, respond. You request, I respond. Much like life, if you don't like my response, you don't have to request anything from me. Deal with it.
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First off, nothing is against your will, quit making up nonsense. Is someone forcing you to access Wikipedia? Is someone forcing you to access Google? No. Don't like that site? You don't have to access it.

Content on the web that you access without paying is free. Period. You pay your ISP for the ability to have your connection routed to any IP address in the world, and to have the ability to have a pipe allocated to you with the promised download and upload speeds. That is what you pay for. That is literally what an ISP does for you.

I pay for a web server where I can publish my content (may that be videos, articles, etc). I also have to pay my hosting provider/ISP the ability to host that content, except I have to pay for it when someone consumes it. My web server does not go to your house, kick down the door, and say look at my website. You come to my site through your own methods and consume stuff from me. That is the whole basis for how web pages work.

Before you continue arguing with me on something that is fact, look up how the HTTP protocol operates. Its request, respond. You request, I respond. Much like life, if you don't like my response, you don't have to request anything from me. Deal with it.

The same way you should deal with if I access your publicly available website on the internet, you are not entitled to earn ad revenue off me as an involuntary consumer of your ads thumb.gif

Awww, you have to pay for bandwidth when I visit your website? I also have to pay for bandwidth and when your ads consume 50x more bandwidth then the content of your website you don't see me complaining. What you pay for is your problem, you are the one hosting a web page, not me.

Simply deal with it as you stated.
Edited by alphabet - 2/9/16 at 5:33pm
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