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What? Completely different things, TV ads don't have bandwidth limitations, in addition extra users probably have very little in terms of resource consumption for TV audiences, while websites have a lot more. In addition, if you skip an ad it doesn't change the fact that the advertiser has prepaid or is pays for their commercial or ad to be displayed during such and such time to X amount of estimated users. Web ads are billed per click or per 1000 impressions/views.
Adapt to what? There are like a total of three ways to collect revenue. Donations, subscriptions, or ads. There is no hidden fourth adaption, unless you sell products and can use the profits or costs from the products to cover your website operational costs.

You can't measure lost sales to piracy, but you can measure how many users view your content with adblock. If 10 users viewed the page, but my ad network reported 6 page views, that means 4 users didn't load the ad. You can argue that maybe this is something else, but its not difficult to track which content a user downloads and which content a user does not download, or which content a user requests, but does not request.

Point being there should be an upwards statistical correlation if the amount of user views goes up then the amount of ad views should also go up.

OK, unless you make it illegal to NOT RUN a script (bribing law makers, etc.), you simply have to live with the fact that not all of your page deliveries will serve ads. As a business, you have to deal with it.

NoScript and other script blocking add-ons do the same thing as AdBlocking add-ons do. The point is that you can't force all of the people accessing your content to see ads, just like with TV.

Frankly the only issue sites should have is the percent of people using ad-blocking. If the number is fairly fixed, the sites can simply improve their services and get more views.

Websites have all the leverage, if they really feel like they're getting ripped off, put everything behind a paywall... But most won't do this because they know what they provide isn't worth the trouble of people typing in their credit card information. Block all ad-blockers? There are add-ons and Greasemonkey scripts that block adblock blockers.

I think it's a fool's notion that 100% of your page views can be monetized. What the hell is every 100% efficient?

Would you be against people giving a newspaper to someone else when they're done reading it?
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The same way you should deal with if I access your publicly available website on the internet, you are not entitled to earn ad revenue off me as an involuntary consumer of your ads thumb.gif

Yes I am....you missed the whole point completely. By downloading my http page and all the content on it, you downloaded content from me. You got something for free. We both pay our ISPs money, but the difference is, I created content for you to consume. So as a result you consumed something from me for free. Did you pay me anything to watch my video? No, hence its free. I didn't get a single cent of the money you paid your ISP, but I had to pay bandwidth costs for your download.
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Yes I am....you missed the whole point completely. By downloading my http page and all the content on it, you downloaded content from me. You got something for free. We both pay our ISPs money, but the difference is, I created content for you to consume. So as a result you consumed something from me for free. Did you pay me anything to watch my video? No, hence its free.
It's free because there is no login and password button that only subscribers can access.

Then again, no one is forcing you to keep your website free and public, right?

You are a naive person if you honestly think you are entitled to earn ad revenue off someone because they visit your website.
Edited by alphabet - 2/9/16 at 5:41pm
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Yes I am....you missed the whole point completely. By downloading my http page and all the content on it, you downloaded content from me. You got something for free. We both pay our ISPs money, but the difference is, I created content for you to consume. So as a result you consumed something from me for free. Did you pay me anything to watch my video? No, hence its free. I didn't get a single cent of the money you paid your ISP, but I had to pay bandwidth costs for your download.

If your content is that valuable, pay-wall it then.

Can't risk that? Deal with less than 100% efficient monetization.

If your ad-revenue can't cover server and bandwidth costs, maybe your site isn't worth anything. Then "become the product" and use Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc. to get out your content.

News regurgitation sites shouldn't expect much from ad revenue since they don't hire reporters that go out into the real world and write real stories. They leach off other sources of info. So "leech sites, " in my mind should only make enough ad-revenue to cover server and bandwidth costs. The admin should treat it as a hobby.
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ohh yeah, theres that site called Wired, i almost forgot about it. biggrin.gif
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ohh yeah, theres that site called Wired, i almost forgot about it. biggrin.gif
Don't forget to click every single advertisement on overclock.net because they are entitled to revenue from you.
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Don't forget to click every single advertisement on overclock.net because they are entitled to revenue from you.

i don't really care about those things, specially the mild ads.
if its unbearable then its either i leave or i block, pure and simple.

on a side note, WHY the hell do i have to click ads that i'm not interested in?
if they want their ads clicked, get the ones people are interested in, choose relevant ads!
Edited by epic1337 - 2/9/16 at 5:51pm
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Anddddddddd...

nothing of value was lost.
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i don't really care about those things, specially the mild ads.
if its unbearable then its either i leave or i block, pure and simple.

on a side note, WHY the hell do i have to click ads that i'm not interested in?
if they want their ads clicked, get the ones people are interested in, choose relevant ads!

Sorry for my flawed examples rolleyes.gif

Some people feel that because their website grows and the cost to maintain it grows, that we as public consumers of a public website that is publicly available for anyone to view, are responsible for playing a part in how they choose to monetize.
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I'm inclined to forget them.
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