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Come to think of it, this is probably just a publicity stunt to make people remember Wired exists.
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post #162 of 397
Quote:
Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post

Would you be against people giving a newspaper to someone else when they're done reading it?

Again, wrong analogy. Example below.

The newspaper company printed 1 newspaper, and sold 1 newspaper. Its irrelevant what happens to it after. The cost for creating the newspaper was paid for.
If you go to my site and download 1 page without adblock. I had to use resources to generate that 1 page, but you didn't view an ad, my costs were not paid for.

Your also showcasing how peer 2 peer works vs a client to dedicated server model.
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Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post

OK, unless you make it illegal to NOT RUN a script (bribing law makers, etc.), you simply have to live with the fact that not all of your page deliveries will serve ads. As a business, you have to deal with it.

NoScript and other script blocking add-ons do the same thing as AdBlocking add-ons do. The point is that you can't force all of the people accessing your content to see ads, just like with TV.

Frankly the only issue sites should have is the percent of people using ad-blocking. If the number is fairly fixed, the sites can simply improve their services and get more views.

Websites have all the leverage, if they really feel like they're getting ripped off, put everything behind a paywall... But most won't do this because they know what they provide isn't worth the trouble of people typing in their credit card information. Block all ad-blockers? There are add-ons and Greasemonkey scripts that block adblock blockers.

I think it's a fool's notion that 100% of your page views can be monetized. What the hell is every 100% efficient?

The number is not fairly fixed. Last time I had stats from a clients site it was that 35% of all user traffic would not load ad traffic. That means 35% for that particular niche used some form of adblock. Give or take 5% error for maybe bad page loads.

100% and 65% are no where close to each other.

Keep in mind, this is only going to increase. Its not like people are choosing to willingly stop using ad block after using it.
Edited by Limes - 2/9/16 at 6:01pm
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I will stop using ad blockers when web sites are willing to pay for antivirus and spyware removal plus time spent using them and plus the fact the extra time when loading page's till then any and all web sites can kiss my "BEEP" whistle.gif
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Originally Posted by Limes View Post

Again, wrong analogy. Example below.

The newspaper company printed 1 newspaper, and sold 1 newspaper. Its irrelevant what happens to it after. The cost for creating the newspaper was paid for.
If you go to my site and download 1 page without adblock. I had to use resources to generate that 1 page, but you didn't view an ad, my costs were not paid for.

Your also showcasing how peer 2 peer works vs a client to dedicated server model.
The number is not fairly fixed. Last time I had stats from a clients site it was that 35% of all user traffic would not load ad traffic. That means 35% for that particular niche used some form of adblock. Give or take 5% error for maybe bad page loads.

100% and 65% are no where close to each other.

Keep in mind, this is only going to increase. Its not like people are choosing to willingly stop using ad block after using it.

The major difference between the Newspaper, and the online page, is that I don't need to worry about the Newspaper posing a security issue. So comparing Print material to digital material is already a little difficult.

You then have the issue that advertisements take up data, which for the consumer, is a far more precious resource than the website. A large advertisement, especially one with audio and/or video, that auto-plays, can be a real issue for many people. So while the website complains about their resources being consumed, that same concern applies to the end user as well.

If content producers want things to change, they need to start taking responsibility with their advertisements. They need to ensure they are clean and safe, and also aren't obtrusive and pose a potential to consume data without concern.
Edited by PostalTwinkie - 2/9/16 at 6:06pm
    
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Again, wrong analogy. Example below.

The newspaper company printed 1 newspaper, and sold 1 newspaper. Its irrelevant what happens to it after. The cost for creating the newspaper was paid for.
If you go to my site and download 1 page without adblock. I had to use resources to generate that 1 page, but you didn't view an ad, my costs were not paid for.

Your also showcasing how peer 2 peer works vs a client to dedicated server model.
The number is not fairly fixed. Last time I had stats from a clients site it was that 35% of all user traffic would not load ad traffic. That means 35% for that particular niche used some form of adblock. Give or take 5% error for maybe bad page loads.

100% and 65% are no where close to each other.

Keep in mind, this is only going to increase. Its not like people are choosing to willingly stop using ad block after using it.
In Poland, the highest adblocking using country, usage is 33%. US numbers for tech savvy regions like California and New York are at 15%. Something's screwy with your numbers somewhere.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/10/study-of-ad-blocking-software-suggests-wide-use/
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Again, wrong analogy. Example below.

The newspaper company printed 1 newspaper, and sold 1 newspaper. Its irrelevant what happens to it after. The cost for creating the newspaper was paid for.
If you go to my site and download 1 page without adblock. I had to use resources to generate that 1 page, but you didn't view an ad, my costs were not paid for.

Your also showcasing how peer 2 peer works vs a client to dedicated server model.
The number is not fairly fixed. Last time I had stats from a clients site it was that 35% of all user traffic would not load ad traffic. That means 35% for that particular niche used some form of adblock. Give or take 5% error for maybe bad page loads.

100% and 65% are no where close to each other.

Keep in mind, this is only going to increase. Its not like people are choosing to willingly stop using ad block after using it.


The moment the newspaper steals my identity infects my property making it unusable and destroys my property I then have a right to declare they fix the problem.


What is your domain? I want to make sure to whitelist it since you're so destitute.
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Limes View Post

Again, wrong analogy. Example below.

The newspaper company printed 1 newspaper, and sold 1 newspaper. Its irrelevant what happens to it after. The cost for creating the newspaper was paid for.
If you go to my site and download 1 page without adblock. I had to use resources to generate that 1 page, but you didn't view an ad, my costs were not paid for.

Your also showcasing how peer 2 peer works vs a client to dedicated server model.
The number is not fairly fixed. Last time I had stats from a clients site it was that 35% of all user traffic would not load ad traffic. That means 35% for that particular niche used some form of adblock. Give or take 5% error for maybe bad page loads.

100% and 65% are no where close to each other.

Keep in mind, this is only going to increase. Its not like people are choosing to willingly stop using ad block after using it.

The major difference between the Newspaper, and the online page, is that I don't need to worry about the Newspaper posing a security issue. So comparing Print material to digital material is already a little difficult.

You then have the issue that advertisements take up data, which for the consumer, is a far more precious resource than the website. A large advertisement, especially one with audio and/or video, that auto-plays, can be a real issue for many people. So while the website complains about their resources being consumed, that same concern applies to the end user as well.

If content producers want things to change, they need to start taking responsibility with their advertisements. They need to ensure they are clean and safe, and also aren't obtrusive and pose a potential to consume data without concern.

this is what i dont understand right here

most people * not all * want people to be able to make a living

yet the people who advocate i should be able to do anything i want with my site and the ads on it, for the most part WILL NOT take personal responsibility to acknowledge there is an issue when i can get cryptolocker from their site or that their ads may consume a frighteningly large amount of data, which does not affect me, but in the us IS starting to become a problem ( datacaps )

i just dont see how someone can see the need for unlimited ads, but not admit the other side has a fair point
i dont see how something like acceptableads.com is such a bad thing
Edited by Mega Man - 2/9/16 at 6:49pm
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Soon sites will require you to download apps like this before gaining access to their site.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nonad-block/mjdphmpknkepficogfmnfhabmlngggip?hl=en-US
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nvm
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lol everytime a site goes this model I have no urge to visit it again.

even if youtube becomes like this i wouldn't care very much tbh.
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