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Originally Posted by Chakravant View Post

I just went through the last 6 pages. Outside of a forced analogy to newspapers that your reply can't really be applied to, nobody has really been talking about news publishers. Are you sure you didn't cross your threads somewhere?

What's the thread about? A NEWS PUBLISHER REQUIRING A SUBSCRIPTION.

What else could the context of the thread POSSIBLY be about?

Abortion publishers? No. Ad agencies? No.

Hrmmmmm, game websites? DING DING DING.

What are they? P U B L I S H E R S.
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What's the thread about? A NEWS PUBLISHER REQUIRING A SUBSCRIPTION.

What else could the context of the thread POSSIBLY be about?

Abortion publishers? No. Ad agencies? No.

Hrmmmmm, game websites? DING DING DING.

What are they? P U B L I S H E R S.
Wired isn't a news publisher. It just rehashes what other people have already reported. It is a parrot site. This is about a web site, not some huge publishing house. Every site like Wired could disappear in an instant, and ad agencies as well as the internet would barely notice.

News publishers. Seriously?
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I find it particularly interesting that you don't see the irony here.

Ad companies are getting worse because they're struggling for revenue.
They're struggling for revenue because Ablock is getting //BETTER// at blocking adds.
Thus, there's no reason to heed the words of consumers because if they don't make enough money to survive, they'll have no consumers.
Thus, this is their solution.

See the cycle yet?

One begets the other. Can't have it both ways.

Stop trying to argue that you said publishers or that you were referring to news outlets. You very clearly said ad companies. Not News Outlets, not publishers, Not authors, not hosts, but Ad companies.

The only reasonable conclusion to your statement is that you're talking about ad agencies. "Ad companies" are not publishers, news outlets, or content creators.

In print publications the news outlet may be responsible for finding people to pay them to allow them to advertise in their publications. But in digital publications an ad agency puts ads on a company's site and the company makes money from those ads (whether it be through ppc or whatever). They are two completely different models. The only thing similar is that they are advertising businesses outside of their own, the way they do that and get paid for it are two different things.

The fact of the matter is that software doesn't become popular unless it solves a real problem. The problem, in this case, was invasive advertising. Thanks to that, content creators now have the privelege (sarcasm intended) of finding different ways to monetize their sites. They can't do that by saying "look at our ads or don't visit the site at all."
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Stop trying to argue that you said publishers or that you were referring to news outlets. You very clearly said ad companies. Not News Outlets, not publishers, Not authors, not hosts, but Ad companies.

The only reasonable conclusion to your statement is that you're talking about ad agencies. "Ad companies" are not publishers, news outlets, or content creators.

In print publications the news outlet may be responsible for finding people to pay them to allow them to advertise in their publications. But in digital publications an ad agency puts ads on a company's site and the company makes money from those ads (whether it be through ppc or whatever). They are two completely different models. The only thing similar is that they are advertising businesses outside of their own, the way they do that and get paid for it are two different things.

The fact of the matter is that software doesn't become popular unless it solves a real problem. The problem, in this case, was invasive advertising. Thanks to that, content creators now have the privelege (sarcasm intended) of finding different ways to monetize their sites. They can't do that by saying "look at our ads or don't visit the site at all."

In it's context, that post is directly quoting a post about the news source.

The ads are present on the news source.

From now on, I'll ELY5 because apparently that's necessary due to context.
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Wired isn't a news publisher. It just rehashes what other people have already reported. It is a parrot site. This is about a web site, not some huge publishing house. Every site like Wired could disappear in an instant, and ad agencies as well as the internet would barely notice.

News publishers. Seriously?

CNN parrots. NYT parrots. Welcome to the industry.

News is news. Parroted or not.
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I am against a lot of things companies do with advertising, but it's not like they are making you pay the $4 a month. You wither pay or stop blocking the ads. They are giving you a choice.

They do not have the power to give that choice thumb.gif there are many ways to go about it, and giving ultimatums to people they don't have control over is not the best.

I won't pay and you literally can't stop me from blocking ads, unless you want to make your website private, then you can do whatever you please.

Asking viewers to turn off ad blocker is different than saying "either pay or unblock"
Edited by alphabet - 2/10/16 at 8:32pm
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I won't pay and you literally can't stop me from blocking ads, unless you want to make your website private, then you can do whatever you please.

This is essentially what they're doing anyway. I wouldn't be surprised to see all membership-only websites in the next few years.
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I really never seen this anti ad blocker pop ups. I tend to keep java and flash disabled then have no script pretty much nuke everything else. So no flashy annoying ads for me. biggrin.gif
I don't trust crap on web pages especially ads. I tend to keep the browser on lock down.
     
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CNN parrots. NYT parrots. Welcome to the industry.

News is news. Parroted or not.
Parrots aren't publishers, even in the news industry.
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The only time I go on Wired is when somebody here links it. I'd rather go to MaximumPC or another real tech magazine that is gracious enough to post some of its content for free. And really, things like AdBlocker were created because people were sick of the epilepsy-inducing banner ads and popups. So what did these advertising people do? They made their advertisements even more obnoxious and insidious. My operating theory is that if it looked like real professionals designed the ads instead of a group of technically literate grade schoolers, not to mention web designers showing some restraint in their placement, people wouldn't be bothered by ads.
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I won't pay and you literally can't stop me from blocking ads, unless you want to make your website private, then you can do whatever you please.

This is essentially what they're doing anyway. I wouldn't be surprised to see all membership-only websites in the next few years.

Not that I agree with your analysis, but if they did then I forsee moar of said sites shutting down as most are not needed and not worth paying for, most of the whiners are small sites with what imo is unrealistic schemes about how they should be funded
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