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Originally Posted by Chakravant View Post

Publishing is the act of producing and disseminating information. Please provide evidence that Wired.com originally produces 50.1+% of their content or stop using the term publisher so speciously.

...You don't have to produce the majority content to be a publisher. Sorry.

You've never had to.

Simply licensing the original and giving credit allows to you publicly publish that material.

Just like my posts are PUBLISHED because I'm offering them forth as content with your PUBLISHED content put in place by fair use.

Just to cleanse the ignorance:
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publisher
[puhb-li-sher]

noun
1.
a person or company whose business is the publishing of books, periodicals, engravings, computer software, etc.
2.
the business head of a newspaper organization or publishing house, commonly the owner or the representative of the owner.


publish
[puhb-lish]

Synonyms
Examples
Word Origin

verb (used with object)
1.
to issue (printed or otherwise reproduced textual or graphic material, computer software, etc.) for sale or distribution to the public.
2.
to issue publicly the work of:
Random House publishes Faulkner.
3.
to submit (content) online, as to a message board or blog: I published a comment on her blog post with examples from my own life.
They publish a new webcomic once a month.

4.
to announce formally or officially; proclaim; promulgate.
5.
to make publicly or generally known.

This is one argument, you're not going to win considering fair use, licensing and distribution.

Legally speaking, Wired doesn't have to own the original content, all that's required is they give proper credit. They therefor are a publisher.

Anything else?
post #232 of 397
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Originally Posted by Masked View Post

...You don't have to produce the majority content to be a publisher. Sorry.

You've never had to.

Simply licensing the original and giving credit allows to you publicly publish that material.

Just like my posts are PUBLISHED because I'm offering them forth as content with your PUBLISHED content put in place by fair use.

Just to cleanse the ignorance:
This is one argument, you're not going to win considering fair use, licensing and distribution.

Legally speaking, Wired doesn't have to own the original content, all that's required is they give proper credit. They therefor are a publisher.

Anything else?
Publishing is defined by the OALD (alas, I no longer have direct access to an OED) as the profession or business of preparing and printing books, magazines, CD-ROMs, etc. and selling or making them available to the public. Notice the purely material nature of these properties. We will go further and provide the OALD definition of publisher.

A person or company that prepares and issues books, journals, music, or other works for sale

Note here not only the physicality (outside of playing fast and loose with "music" and trying to point out digital sales) of these properties but the for sale directive.

Wired.com prepares nothing. They take what has already been prepared. They do not sell any material thing. They issue mostly other people's works. They're not the AP. They're not Reuters. They're not even TMZ.com. They're not publishers.
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Good luck with that Wired. How long before ad blockers have scripts to block your anti ad block? A day?
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Originally Posted by Chakravant View Post

Wired.com prepares nothing. They take what has already been prepared. They do not sell any material thing. They issue mostly other people's works. They're not the AP. They're not Reuters. They're not even TMZ.com. They're not publishers.

So, firstly that definition is dated - It actually changed when you know, the internet happened.

Secondly, do they put forth the content in a setting by which there is traffic and give the original creator, credit?

Than they are, by law, publishing that content and are therefor, regardless of Oxford's dated definition, publishers.

Sorry.
post #235 of 397
The quality of the average internet article is often so low that I find googling the topic and reading different sources more valuable than wading through several pages of incorrectly stated information. Wired articles are not a gold standard of information, they have no monopoly on the product (like your local cable company!) and there are too many sources of information.
Perhaps they aren't as low quality as yahoo 'news', but they aren't NASA whitepapers either.

Whenever I encounter a paywall at such websites, I simply never go back.
post #236 of 397
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Legally speaking, Wired doesn't have to own the original content, all that's required is they give proper credit. They therefor are a publisher.

Anything else?

That's awesome, so their lame threat of "view our content without an ad blocker" really holds NO substance.

People will just go straight to the source, or to anyone else who "published" that article.
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Its not rude when the Ice Cream shop intentionally puts its samples out for everyone to try. Its even less rude once you find out the ice cream had roaches on it. Can't enjoy the flavor once you notice the vermin.


Adblock is not getting worse. Ad companies are getting worse. On top of that, they are not heeding the words of people who consume the media. People look for solutions when they are presented with a problem. This time the problem is unruly ads that inject malware and disrupt the user and track them across the web claiming to personalize the experience. On top of that, website owners are not curating the ad networks that they use. Its just fill in all of the blank spaces with graffiti, and tell the user "tough luck". Well now the user can do what it has to since they can't be bothered.

But your analogy applies that because 1 ice cream shop has rodents, they all do. And in your analogy, you stop going to get ice cream because they have rodents. If you stopped because of 1, yeah that hurts everyone, but you grabbing free samples costs them money, and ice cream shop #2 did nothing wrong.

The # of users using Adblock is increasing. That itself means that adblock is getting worse. The more they are in the news, the more it grows. You no longer have 1-2 options for adblock, there is an assortment of them. There are now even adblocks that are starting to whitelist pre-screened ads so that people can actually use adblock as a seacurity feature and not as means to avoid advertisements. That is growth. These would not exist if there was not a demand for this.

Why do people use adblocker? If people want free content with no strings attached, sites need to operate based on donations and beg like Wikipedia has to do every year (not a stab a wikipedia, i love them). The only other monetary source from ads and donations is subscription which is what wired is doing. You could say Sponsors, but being payed by the companies of the stuff your reviewing is a very slippery slope with trust to the readers.... look at youtube.
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post #238 of 397
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Why do people use adblocker? If people want free content with no strings attached, sites need to operate based on donations and beg like Wikipedia has to do every year (not a stab a wikipedia, i love them). The only other monetary source from ads and donations is subscription which is what wired is doing. You could say Sponsors, but being payed by the companies of the stuff your reviewing is a very slippery slope with trust to the readers.... look at youtube.

Couldn't have said it better, myself.
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There are other ways to make money from a website, other than just being solely reliant on ads. rolleyes.gif Displaying ads along with your content just takes minimalist effort. Stop being lazy and get creative.
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Plaintext-only ads are the only reasonable way out.
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