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I think people either vastly exaggerate the intrusiveness of ads or only visit stream porn sites or other very questionable sources. For the vast majority of sites I visit the ads are perfectly acceptable, and there's no "threat to security" or whatever some people seem to think ads on respectable sites are about. Sure there's places where the ads are overblown or even have malicious content, but for the most part with adblockers people throw away the baby out with the bathwater and block everything regardless if the ad content is reasonable or not.

I'm afraid legit sites do get malicious ads. Take for example Nexusmods.com, which not too long ago got flagged by Google for distributing malware because one of the ads happened to be infected when Google's bots scanned the page. The problem in this case was that the mentioned site didn't have direct control over which ads were shown.
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i only care when pr0n sites do this.

but on a serious note - there are most times pausing ad block but ghostery still blocks the ad's content. wink.gif
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post #63 of 397
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It's not that they are evil for wanting people to support, it's that ads are out of hand. They are a huge burden on the site when there are 15 per page. This site has ads, but not tons of them and no pop ups for mobile. So it's bearable

I don't buy magazines because you get 10 pages of content and 60 pages of ads, and you had to buy it

That's just it - the ultimate catch-22.

In order to survive, that publisher NEEDS those ads...The less their viewrship sees them, the more out of hand they become because that publisher has to circumvent your disabling their revenue stream.

It's the cycle of poverty.

You don't see the ad - The site makes no money - Site works to circumvent adblocker - Ads get out of hand - Site eventually dies because viewers don't see the ads.

Like I said, you can't actually have this both ways.

@ Magazines...You do realize this is the ONLY WAY those magazines make money? Is advertising...They don't make money off of you buying it at the News Stand for $5.

Even Vogue, has lost so much money, they've had to flood the entire publication with more ads and cut back on actual content.

Again, you can't actually have this cake and eat it too - Have to pick one.

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I agree with you Masked. For the majority of sites to survive and pay authors to write content and sys/network admins and webmasters to maintain the site, you need a revenue stream. And ads are one of the most readily apparent ways of doing so. I do not have a problem with ads on a webpage.

What I object to is ads on "legitimate" websites executing malicious code in my browser and compromising my security. That is an unacceptable risk and one that I will go to any lengths necessary to prevent for both myself and the users behind the firewalls that I maintain.

I also reject the counter-argument that "The sites have no control over the ads themselves, they just sell a spot to a third-party ad network." This brings up the question of why are you as a webmaster loading third party content into your site that you don't trust?!


I agree entirely BUT, the malicious code only exists because of blocking apps.

It's the ultimate catch-22 and red herring in a nutshell...Really is.

The maliciousness ultimately roared into existence BECAUSE of ads being circumvented but, now it's so bad that users don't want to visit anyway so, what do you do?

I sympathize with Wired. - Perhaps the takeaway with Wired is that, they'll cut the malicious advertising in an effort to side with their readers?

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I've ignored many websites which demand ad blocking be disabled. Wired will just be another dusty carcass in the history of places I might have cared to go before.

Like I've said a few times now, you can't have this cake and eat it too.

The only way publishers make $$$$ is by you seeing the ads.

They get out of hand because you're not seeing them thus, the publisher does their best to disable adblocker.

It's a vicious circle but, the bottom line is that adblocker costs them a serious amount of money.

There's a reason Adblocker wasn't allowed at the publisher's conference this year - It's killing them.

Either you disable adblocker and essentially keep that publisher in business or...they die. - Really the bottom line.
post #64 of 397
Over my dead body Wired.
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Originally Posted by Pantsu View Post

I think people either vastly exaggerate the intrusiveness of ads or only visit stream porn sites or other very questionable sources. For the vast majority of sites I visit the ads are perfectly acceptable, and there's no "threat to security" or whatever some people seem to think ads on respectable sites are about.

You do not understand how it works if you're willing to make a statement like that. Respectable sites serve malicious ads with some regularity, and it's not because they have any malicious intent but because they use standard ad networks and do not directly control what gets shown. If a bad actor manages to get a malicious payload through the submission process, something which appears to occur regularly, it is served out to respectable sites until discovered and eliminated. Google's ad network has served many malicious ads. So has DoubleClick.
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I will turn off my ad blocker as soon as you turn off ads that turn off your content.
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Originally Posted by Masked View Post

Like I've said a few times now, you can't have this cake and eat it too.

The only way publishers make $$$$ is by you seeing the ads.

They get out of hand because you're not seeing them thus, the publisher does their best to disable adblocker.

It's a vicious circle but, the bottom line is that adblocker costs them a serious amount of money.

There's a reason Adblocker wasn't allowed at the publisher's conference this year - It's killing them.

Either you disable adblocker and essentially keep that publisher in business or...they die. - Really the bottom line.

I don't think you quite understand my position. I do not care about their financial problems. I will not accept "because we need to make money" as justification to participate in bad behavior. Nobody should.
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0.50$ a month

maybe.
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I don't think you quite understand my position. I do not care about their financial problems. I will not accept "because we need to make money" as justification to participate in bad behavior. Nobody should.

Oh, I understand, I was educating you on your ignorance of the publishing world.

You SHOULD care if sites that provide news make money...Because if they don't...You won't have news anymore. It really is //THAT// simple.

It's also not "bad behaviour" - Ads are ads.

Like I said, you can't have this both ways...Either you view the ads and therefor, the site survives, or you don't...and it dies.
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Originally Posted by Pantsu View Post

I think people either vastly exaggerate the intrusiveness of ads or only visit stream porn sites or other very questionable sources. For the vast majority of sites I visit the ads are perfectly acceptable, and there's no "threat to security" or whatever some people seem to think ads on respectable sites are about. Sure there's places where the ads are overblown or even have malicious content, but for the most part with adblockers people throw away the baby out with the bathwater and block everything regardless if the ad content is reasonable or not.

Yes there are sites where the ads are fine, this site for one. I dont use adblockers, if I go to a web page and I see the whole right side of the page covered in ads, then a bunch halfway down the article, then have to click through 5 pages of the article each with its own new set of animated ads, thats where I just leave the site and never go back. On my old computer, this was a problem, the computer wasnt great and it caused most sites to no load, or feel like I was on 56k again.

I think subscription servies are fine to get rid of ads, I pay for youtube red because I dont want to watch the comercials. But with youtube, the content is there and worth the money. I pay for hulu and that shows me ads all the time... Thats why I dont watch hulu (my wife does)

I am also more against click bait ads, the ones where it says "click here for next page" or something like that..... then the website hosting it seems to hide their own next page button just so you click the fake one. Many file hosting sites are like this, you go to the download page, and your greeted with 4 buttons that say click to download. I have seen pron sites with fewer ads than many of these legit sites.
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I will turn off my ad blocker as soon as you turn off ads that turn off your content.

Yes! go to site, modal pops up that cant be closed, you have to wait 15-30 seconds or listen to the video, then you can click close, then you can view the site with the rest of the ads.
Edited by ejohnson - 2/9/16 at 7:01am
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