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post #91 of 397
Web page ads started out like billboards on the side of the road, ignorable, sometimes usefull... then they moved the billboards to the middle of the street so you have to drive around it. Now the billboards are in the middle of the street and have roving groups of bandits that hide behind them ready to pull you from your car and steal it.

Web pages, learn from billboards, they dont put them in the middle of the road and neither should you.
post #92 of 397
I don't think that Wired truly cares about the advertisers. They just want to sell more impressions. If you run an ad-blocker I'm sure that when they attempt to show the ad that it doesn't count as an impression. Therefore, I can' sell it. The only way for Wired to collect money from those lost impressions is to charge a fee. Thus, they don't lose the revenue from lost impressions.

I understand the theory, but you are selling a lie. If we all take off our ad-blockers and you sell an extra 4 million (made up number) impressions to advertisers, than you just ripped them off. We aren't going to view the ads regardless of the blocker or not. You just want to sell them.

Not really a good idea.
post #93 of 397
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well if only 20% of the people are using adblockers and those 20% stop looking at there articles what does that mean to them?
,,,,,
so many people are saying they will lose money but in fact they will be making money.
they will lose money if they keep those 20% of people viewing there content .

This really depends on how they make revenue from the ads. If your statement is to imply that the people using ad blockers cost the site money (because they use its resources, which have a cost, without providing revenue back to the site), then you are right that in a fashion and to a degree those users cost the site money. However, if the ad's pay per click for example, then users without ad blockers can cost the site the same if they elect not to click an ad.

Wired expects that of those 20%, a reasonable amount of them will pay (which is silly imo). What will happen is the same thing happening now. People who dont use ad blockers will keep going to the site, of that 80% some of them will subscribe. The people clicking ad's and paying to subscribe will essentially be paying for everyone using the site (as the revenue they contribute will pay for the services/content as a whole, not just their own), which is what happens now just via ad's only.

Essentially the cost of keeping the 20% blocking ad's is nominal. The cost of bad publicity is much higher and unpredictable.
post #94 of 397
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hahaha...there is no privacy on the internet or the world.

Actually, there is a certain level of privacy on the Internet. Thus why I was very specific in stating a certain level.

Examples:

Ad with malicious code that would monitor/active microphones and webcams plugged into a system without consent. Something that is currently happening. Another, compromised advertisements that actively track financial information being entered into checkouts at purchase.

EDIT 2:

To be even more clear; that level of privacy is that line between just tracking browsing habits, auto-fill forms, etc, and one of actually invading the living space. By doing things like activating webcams and microphones without a person's consent.
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There is a twitch streamer/former youtuber named Kripparian, he actually made a video about how you should use adblock, basically he was saying that you can always whitelist things you deem worth supporting, youtube took down the video at one point because he was advocating blocking their revenue stream lol.
post #96 of 397
These kinds of things happen over such long periods of time, that people seem to just accept them as the social norm.

Go back 10 years ago, if you had something like this; where a website was forcing obnoxious ads on you, and charging for you to remove them. Then had the audacity to tell you to gtf out of their site if you try and avoid their ad spam lol. The site would have had only tumbleweed as viewers.

If people keep letting companies get away with this stuff.....in the not too distant future...


We'll all be having dreams like this.
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post #97 of 397
Little does Wired understand that readers do not need Wired, but Wired needs readers. Readers can just go elsewhere to get the info they need.
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post #98 of 397
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The ad-model has worked until viewers decided they no longer wanted to see ads. Less ads ultimately leads to less or no content...Like I said, it's a proven cycle.

That's why wikipedia has been flooded with pop-up adds, and the content is never updated. Makes total sense now. Gotta follow THEE model or die, right?
post #99 of 397
How about take your adds and your page and delete it, I`ll probably never stop using adblock.
post #100 of 397
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Originally Posted by Masked View Post

You mean the terabytes and terabytes of content that cost thousands of dollars yearly to operate and hundreds of thousands of dollars yearly to update/maintain? rolleyes.gif

You know because, Wikipedia runs on God's power and that's free, forever. God also gives Wikipedia FREE hundred thousand dollar racks and angels maintain them. rolleyes.gif

The troll is STRONG with this one.

What? Wikipedia just does a donation drive every year to cover their costs, and it works.

If OCN went no adds, and stayed free, and did a donation drive whenever needed, I would donate, just like I do to wikipedia. OCN is a great resource with a strong community, I have little doubt that an annual donations drive would bring in more income than the ads ever could. No one is obligated to do so, but wikipedia is a great example of if you put out a good product, simply by asking for donations once a year to stay ad free you can easily cover the costs of operation and probably give yourself a nice salary to boot.

No trolling here, just saying there actually are models out there that have proven effective other than the archaic face smashing ads approach.

The catch is you have to actually be able to have a good product and a strong community. if you have a trash product with no real community support, yeah, the in your face ads are the only way to go. I'd prefer losing 10 trash websites on the net and gaining 1 quality website anyway to help reduce the clutter and spam.
Edited by DNMock - 2/9/16 at 12:03pm
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