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We already knew of the investigation. Even accounting for the investigation they ARE catching up. If you believe otherwise your head is in the sand. Think about all of the GDP not accounted for in China because it goes unreported. It's massive. Next time you catch a lift to Guangzhou (pop 44 million btw) Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen, or Shantou, if the ozone warnings aren't too high, I suggest you take a walk around and see what's going on in China. They're quickly catching up and are modernizing and industrializing simultaneously. They'll be ahead of us by the end of the decade.

They most definitely will. Was there in Beijing, Nan Jing and Shanghai last January, China is very quickly modernizing well past US standards, and politically they are more able to motivate the population to comply with improvements to national infrastructure.


On topic: It is very interesting to see this much success with a tokamak, I didn't see any mention of how they solved the tailing stray plasma from slipping into the sidewalls, that would be the very interesting information to me in this experiment. The included source of the source just states that they can control it now for longer than 20 seconds, not how they accomplished it.
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Interesting news. I like this competition going on between the Chinese and German teams, to completely different approaches with positive results. Competition is good motivation to make progress faster smile.gif
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Has the U.S. made any noteworthy developments in nuclear fusion in recent memory? Seems to just be Germany and China dominating the news.
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Has the U.S. made any noteworthy developments in nuclear fusion in recent memory? Seems to just be Germany and China dominating the news.

Well, when the people of this country and the government stop being so scared of nuclear meltdowns that happen only once in a great while we may actually make strides. Until then we will see nothing. On the other side though, have you ever seen where nuclear waste goes? In the ground some times. You know near our water sources and sometimes, as in the case of the St. Louis area landfill, near a landfill that catches on fire. Nuclear waste doesn't break down fast enough to justify the usage is also a concern for some. Where do we put spent uranium for disposal and how do we dispose of it? Lots of questions that need to be answered before we start using it everywhere. That is not exactly my view but the view of concerned individuals that don't want or like nuclear power.
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We already knew of the investigation. Even accounting for the investigation they ARE catching up. If you believe otherwise your head is in the sand. Think about all of the GDP not accounted for in China because it goes unreported. It's massive. Next time you catch a lift to Guangzhou (pop 44 million btw) Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen, or Shantou, if the ozone warnings aren't too high, I suggest you take a walk around and see what's going on in China. They're quickly catching up and are modernizing and industrializing simultaneously. They'll be ahead of us by the end of the decade.


I do agree they are catching up technology wise and modernizing their big cities, they go to our schools and reverse engineer our tech. . . But I don't think they are going to pass us economically. The reason they have such a great economy is because they are building ghost cities and have plans to build enough cities to house 3.4 billion people, that bubble is going to pop some time and I don't look forward to it. I guess we will see how they plan to move people into these cities. . .
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I do agree they are catching up technology wise and modernizing their big cities, they go to our schools and reverse engineer our tech. . . But I don't think they are going to pass us economically. The reason they have such a great economy is because they are building ghost cities and have plans to build enough cities to house 3.4 billion people, that bubble is going to pop some time and I don't look forward to it. I guess we will see how they plan to move people into these cities. . .

I have no idea how you think that is the case. China already has a stronger economy than the US if you take into account debt and how much wealth they are internalizing from every major economy in the world. Not to mention the fact that China has about 5 times as many people to buy stuff, it's almost mind boggling you can't see how China will be the next major world economy. It is just a matter of time before every country re-tools to a Chinese centric consumerist model, regardless of the boom and bust cycle of the Chinese markets. China has incredible cash flow positives to almost every major country in the world, and they are working many technologies which would allow them even greater economic independence than they already have.

Even China is re-tooling to provide the Chinese market consumer engine fuel, year on year there is a larger and larger portion of Chinese manufacturing dedicated to producing top tier quality products for consumption within the boarders of mainland China.

ru guo ni bu hue shuo pu tong hua, ni ying gai xue xi shuo zhong wen. (I'm still learning and can't read characters yet. frown.gif )
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The plasma is held away from the walls by magnetic fields, the reaction is done in a vacuum (other than the plasma) so there is no conduction or convection, and the walls themselves are cooled to deal with radiated heat.

Otherwise yes - you would be looking at a puddle of molten slag fairly quickly.

Not to mention those temps are hot enough to ignite the atmosphere, not that it would happen as the reaction would have to sustain itself without the magnetic fields and vacuum but yeah...food for thought.
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The Chinese Have It Figured Out, No Wonder They Are Planning A Moon Mission, They Are Going To Mine That Helium3
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I just cant fathom these temperatures...how the heck does everything not melt?

As a wise man named Jesse Pinkman once said

Yeah Science, Itch

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China passed the US in overall economic size but I don't think it will ever pass the US in per capita GDP. If it did the earth would be screwed by the consumption levels. Don't forget they have an insane amount of private debt and it seems even the Chinese aren't aware of it. They constantly ask me why Americans don't buy houses in cash and always get loans for a house.
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