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They most definitely will. Was there in Beijing, Nan Jing and Shanghai last January, China is very quickly modernizing well past US standards, and politically they are more able to motivate the population to comply with improvements to national infrastructure.


On topic: It is very interesting to see this much success with a tokamak, I didn't see any mention of how they solved the tailing stray plasma from slipping into the sidewalls, that would be the very interesting information to me in this experiment. The included source of the source just states that they can control it now for longer than 20 seconds, not how they accomplished it.

yeah modernizing....but also being extremely wasteful at the same time....

http://www.theplaidzebra.com/ghost-city-china/
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yeah modernizing....but also being extremely wasteful at the same time....

http://www.theplaidzebra.com/ghost-city-china/


Newsflash, the US was so wasteful during industrialization that you couldn't breathe the air in the cities or drink the water without getting sick. We were dumping toxic waste into rivers until the EPA happened. Yeah, Nixon did one good thing and that was it.


On topic as far as U.S. ramping up Nuclear energy. I think the best solution for uranium and plutonium waste would be to shoot it into the sun.
 
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post #33 of 85
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China is catching up fast.

And a lot of people are letting them
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Newsflash, the US was so wasteful during industrialization that you couldn't breathe the air in the cities or drink the water without getting sick. We were dumping toxic waste into rivers until the EPA happened. Yeah, Nixon did one good thing and that was it.


On topic as far as U.S. ramping up Nuclear energy. I think the best solution for uranium and plutonium waste would be to shoot it into the sun.

HHAHAHA, never was there smog like there is in china nice try though

http://aqicn.org/map/china/
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US had around 150-200 million people during industrialization, China has over a billion. Of course it's more polluted.
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yeah modernizing....but also being extremely wasteful at the same time....

http://www.theplaidzebra.com/ghost-city-china/

Yes, that is pretty unfortunate for all of the displaced millions of people, china did allow a ton of unchecked investment, and a ton of really inadvisable loans for major developers because of the tidal wave of demand for housing. The problem with assuming this bubble is bound to burst in a catastrophic way is that you aren't thinking about the millions of people China as a country is still trying very hard to get into affordable housing. The only problem is this isn't terribly different from the massive building sprees in the US of strip malls and highways, which displaced and destroyed just as many towns as this development did in China. The only difference? The US population was around 150-180 million, and China's is about 1.3 billion.

The overcompensation is bound to be on a slightly larger scale.

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And a lot of people are letting them
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HHAHAHA, never was there smog like there is in china nice try though

http://aqicn.org/map/china/

Pittsburgh would like to have a word with you about those comments.
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post #36 of 85
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Yes, that is pretty unfortunate for all of the displaced millions of people, china did allow a ton of unchecked investment, and a ton of really inadvisable loans for major developers because of the tidal wave of demand for housing. The problem with assuming this bubble is bound to burst in a catastrophic way is that you aren't thinking about the millions of people China as a country is still trying very hard to get into affordable housing. The only problem is this isn't terribly different from the massive building sprees in the US of strip malls and highways, which displaced and destroyed just as many towns as this development did in China. The only difference? The US population was around 150-180 million, and China's is about 1.3 billion.

The overcompensation is bound to be on a slightly larger scale.
Pittsburgh would like to have a word with you about those comments.


They're actually going into a mild recession right now, the numbers aren't all accurate so as an economist I can't really say what is the total cause of it, but unfettered growth and the yuan not being able to float is part of the problem. Their debt to GDP ratio isn't nearly as bad as the US or EU. They also OWN a lot of debt so they could call that in. One thing is for certain. Supply isn't the only thing keeping oil low. The demand for oil in China has dropped significantly since November.

As far as the pollution goes. Our Industrialized pollution was actually worse. The technology being used in coal fired plants, even the Chinese ones, is MUCH cleaner than what was being used from 1880 to 1950 in the United States. The Pittsburgh situation is only one of many in the iron belt. NYC was so polluted in the summer of 1966 you couldn't see.
http://www.businessinsider.com/manhattan-smog-photos-1966-2013-1
 
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...Don't be surprised if by 2050 China is the best country to live in in the world.

Except for that little problem with their authoritarian government that does not tolerate any form of dissent.
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Except for that little problem with their authoritarian government that does not tolerate any form of dissent.

Not to get political on you but China uses the exact same electoral system the U.S. does to elect their president. Yes they only have one party (technically they have 7), but guess what? So does the U.S. Dems and Repubs funded by the same corps bud. =) My Minor is in political science and one of my senior thesis was on China's electoral system. They literally elect presidents EXACTLY the same way we do, the electoral college. Electors vote them in. Is it a sham? Yeah, but so is the American electoral system.


Trust me bud, this is the Chinese Century.
 
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The Chinese Have It Figured Out, No Wonder They Are Planning A Moon Mission, They Are Going To Mine That Helium3
They'll have to, or this technology will never amount to anything. With any technology that we have now or are likely to have in the next 50 years, you've got to have Helium-3 to do nuclear fusion without high-energy free neutrons that have to be contained. We can make tritium and fuse that with deuterium, but that makes free neutrons and is also inefficient compared to using He3.

As far as the technology itself, everyone's contributed to it. The Tokamak itself was invented by the Russians. The Stellerator that the Germans are using was invented by an American. Some of the ongoing U.S. fusion projects are using a polywell, which was invented by Robert Bussard (of Bussard ramjet fame). They all more or less do the same thing, but go about it differently. Whoever first accomplishes sustained fusion with a net power gain is going to be very famous, but once it's done, everyone will soon have it because every nation's scientists will have played some part in it. You'll see several different places duplicate the feat within a few years. But we've got to have more Helium-3.
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lol idk why u hate hate on chinese science, they've improved tremendously in that sector, many of their scientists were trained in the US so it's no wonder they're catching up.
it is the same hate propaganda US make, how crappy the Russian technology is.

"If it aint from USA, it is crap philosophy"

jealously is happens every where. biggrin.gif
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