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I've had a ton more, but that was the first one that informed me that my digital fingerprints had been stolen. I gave up my resign bonuses and flight pay to punch, and got a nice check on the way out. Life's been much better on the other side biggrin.gif
post #22 of 38
It needed to be done. You can argue either way saying they are only trying to protect themselves or the country, but cyber crime is a legit problem only getting worse. At least they didnt say the NSA wanted it =D (didnt read the article)
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The plans also call for $62 million in programs, grants and scholarships to encourage graduates with the right skills to take government cybersecurity positions. The strong demand for cybersecurity professionals, and higher salaries offered elsewhere, make government positions less attractive.

At least they're recognizing this issue. Out of all the programmers and netsec guys I know, the only ones who went into government are the ones who want to serve their country or can't find a job in the private sector. Lower pay for more bureaucracy sounds like hell on Earth.
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At least they're recognizing this issue. Out of all the programmers and netsec guys I know, the only ones who went into government are the ones who want to serve their country or can't find a job in the private sector. Lower pay for more bureaucracy sounds like hell on Earth.

Funny, all the guys I know that are in the NSA side of cyber security are gobbling up all the certs they can get to jump ship to the private sector. I feel bad for the guys doing it the opposite way :,(
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Funny, all the guys I know that are in the NSA side of cyber security are gobbling up all the certs they can get to jump ship to the private sector. I feel bad for the guys doing it the opposite way :,(

Haha yea, sounds like it's the same problems all around. The guys I know who are going in for reasons other than civil service don't really have a choice. Flat out rejected from the big and small SV companies.

No one wants the government tech jobs, and I can't blame them. The lower pay is admittedly fine, since it'd still put you in the upper middle class in most areas. But the culture with the lower pay? Nuh-uh. The government really needs to change their tech culture to fit in with tech companies more if they want to attract better talent. All the SDEs on HackerNews complaining about middle management have never dealt with office politics in a government agency before. It's enough to drive you to alcoholism.
post #26 of 38
I have no idea what's really available on the outside for cyber security, because that's just not my job realm, but I always thought this was the new hot thing and companies were chomping at the bit for more qualified people, along with a nice 6+ figure paycheck (in the private sector).

I guess the good thing for people who had zero experience before, if you go the (military at least) government route you're essentially getting paid to learn how to make a living when you separate.
post #27 of 38
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I have no idea what's really available on the outside for cyber security, because that's just not my job realm, but I always thought this was the new hot thing and companies were chomping at the bit for more qualified people, along with a nice 6+ figure paycheck (in the private sector).

I guess the good thing for people who had zero experience before, if you go the (military at least) government route you're essentially getting paid to learn how to make a living when you separate.

Pretty much anyone and everyone with public facing web portals handling sensitive information is hiring in cybersecurity. You have everything from big companies (Apple, Intel Security, Kaspersky) to non-tech companies (utility companies, retailers, political campaigns) hiring some form of cybersecurity personnel.

A huge reason it's paying well is because it's a hard field to actually learn. You have to know a significant amount about a lot of things to be qualified, with the breadth of information being significantly beyond what a Computer Science or Information Systems degree will teach you. Off the top of my head, the most common exploits require knowledge in databases, JavaScript, HTTP protocols, encryption protocols, operating systems, low level memory management, and a lot of creativity. A recent post on Medium talks about the author's Amazon account being compromised by nothing more than a WHOIS lookup and a call into Amazon's CS. It's extremely interesting to learn, but the breadth of information required really is huge.
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Went to click rep, realized retired Mod. Thanks for the info! Make's sense, seems to be what a lot of my friends in the government fields say about their chances of doing the job getting out.
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Went to click rep, realized retired Mod. Thanks for the info! Make's sense, seems to be what a lot of my friends in the government fields say about their chances of doing the job getting out.

YW smile.gif It's just something I love talking about. I'd never actually go into the field for a career (working in security requires a level of constant vigilance and paranoia and I'm way too "go with the flow" for that lifestyle), but it's an extremely interesting hobby to pick up.
post #30 of 38
Instead of spending more, they should focus on hiring more talented people and keeping appointed bureaucrats from running / ruining things.
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