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Funny, all the guys I know that are in the NSA side of cyber security are gobbling up all the certs they can get to jump ship to the private sector. I feel bad for the guys doing it the opposite way :,(

Agree, If your doing it that way your doing it wrong.

What happens is you get your training paid for in gov in your early years and then jump to private, then come back and charge gov more to do the same thing without the bureaucracy .. because gov cant do it themselves. Not due to a inferiority complex but because typically management sit on such gold plated nest eggs they cant risk losing their career by making any positive change.

So the tax payer gets fleeced both ways, one by inflated management public sector pay and the other through over charging from badly tendered business contracts, from public sector management.


Be the Security contractor $ thumb.gif
post #32 of 38
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Agree, If your doing it that way your doing it wrong.

What happens is you get your training paid for in gov in your early years and then jump to private, then come back and charge gov more to do the same thing without the bureaucracy .. because gov cant do it themselves. Not due to a inferiority complex but because typically management sit on such gold plated nest eggs they cant risk losing their career by making any positive change.

So the tax payer gets fleeced both ways, one by inflated management public sector pay and the other through over charging from badly tendered business contracts, from public sector management.


Be the Security contractor $ thumb.gif

Haha let me reiterate that the guys I know who aren't going into government for a sense of civil service are doing it because no one else in SV will take them. These companies are spending thousands at each hackathon and seminar just to get people to submit their applications. The fact that they're not being hired at all should tell you the amazing caliber of programmers they are.

And as far as being the contractor goes, that's why all the top talent goes to firms like Palantir. Government contracted jobs for the big bucks.
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Haha yea, sounds like it's the same problems all around. The guys I know who are going in for reasons other than civil service don't really have a choice. Flat out rejected from the big and small SV companies.

No one wants the government tech jobs, and I can't blame them. The lower pay is admittedly fine, since it'd still put you in the upper middle class in most areas. But the culture with the lower pay? Nuh-uh. The government really needs to change their tech culture to fit in with tech companies more if they want to attract better talent. All the SDEs on HackerNews complaining about middle management have never dealt with office politics in a government agency before. It's enough to drive you to alcoholism.

And they wonder why us military peeps love to drink. tongue.gif Myself don't drink, but the six years of maintenance on heavy aircraft almost made me. Had a friend in com squad...the amount of energy drinks he drank was insane. Kind of the reason I got out active and went guard, at least I only have to deal with it on a few days a year. Plus Guard way less stressful than full Active. Plus switch from aircraft to computers was blessing. I get to stay indoors instead of trying to do a oil change in rain with wind. biggrin.gif
     
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Instead of spending more, they should focus on hiring more talented people and keeping appointed bureaucrats from running / ruining things.

i work in the gov IT sector and the issue isnt so much not having talented people as most i know are pretty dang good at what they do.
the issue is the second part of what you said, the "appointed bureaucrats running things."
thats any and every problem in a nut shell.....we are sometimes straight up prevented from doing things properly or efficiently because X up the chain put their nose in and for literally no reason said no.

also, doesnt help that our budgets constantly get cut....ill see that "X amount" went to our agency but when we cant even replace a broken chair and our projects are constantly getting trimmed, it really makes me wonder where it went or was siphoned. Id like to know what % of this budget actually goes to people/equipment to do what they are saying.
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If you want secure systems to be used by non-experts, don't hook them up to the internet, disable USB, disable printing, and replace all the data storage components with squirrels.
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If you want secure systems to be used by non-experts, don't hook them up to the internet, disable USB, disable printing, and replace all the data storage components with squirrels.

Give them a pen and paper with cups and strings for phones.
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THROW MORE MONEY
Say no to throwing out completely useless people in the "chain of command".
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i work in the gov IT sector and the issue isnt so much not having talented people as most i know are pretty dang good at what they do.
the issue is the second part of what you said, the "appointed bureaucrats running things."
thats any and every problem in a nut shell.....we are sometimes straight up prevented from doing things properly or efficiently because X up the chain put their nose in and for literally no reason said no.

also, doesnt help that our budgets constantly get cut....ill see that "X amount" went to our agency but when we cant even replace a broken chair and our projects are constantly getting trimmed, it really makes me wonder where it went or was siphoned. Id like to know what % of this budget actually goes to people/equipment to do what they are saying.

Mmmm, budget cuts got to love those. /s tongue.gif Know that feeling, before I got out of maintenance we where literally hiding aircraft parts from flightline just so we have them for our inspections and tasks we had to do on the cargo jets. Hell, we where cannibalizing parts off backup engines in our barn.

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