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post #1 of 13
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Hello there,

I've recently assembled a new computer (R9 390 graphics card) and now I'm thinking about upgrading my monitor.


Initially I was going for the BenQ 24" LED XL2411Z 144Hz.

Then I found out about the QNIX QX2710, which is cheaper and uses a Samsung PLS panel (should have better colors).
Sadly, this monitor isn't 144Hz but should be easily overclocked to 96~120Hz.

I've read, however, about some of these monitors not being able to overclock properly (MULTI version, I think). Do you think I will have any problem with the one listed here?

Have any of you bought a korean monitor and tried to overclock it? Are you happy with the results?


btw, "glossy" vs "matte" just comes down to personal preference, right?

Cheers.
post #2 of 13
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Originally Posted by jorgemmsilva View Post

Sadly, this monitor isn't 144Hz but should be easily overclocked to 96~120Hz.

What is this fascination with 144Hz? I bet if you put a blind test with one system running 60 Hz (let alone 90Hz) vs the other 144Hz, I bet exactly 0% of users would be able to reliably tell them apart. Which prompts a question, what are all those PC tech reviewing sites are doing lately: on slow news day this is exactly kind of urban legend to put to test.

Please note that puny 24Hz is good enough for movies:
https://xcorr.net/2011/11/20/whats-the-maximal-frame-rate-humans-can-perceive/


P.S. I just have noticed that there is a pun in a "blind test". Don't take it verbatim.
Edited by Tegiri Nenashi - 2/9/16 at 12:29pm
post #3 of 13
I own a Qnix for about 2 years now.
Unlike the poster above me, I can see the difference between 60 and 100+ Hertz, not every human eye is the same. I am very sensitive for it.

The multi input version is overclockable to about 90-100 Hertz BUT shows extreme frameskipping, making the overclock pointless.
If you wish to overclock a Qnix you need to buy the DVI-only version.

Glossy or matte --> Seriously take the matte version, the glossy one has extreme reflections from sunlight and whatnot.

Never buy an 'off-grade' one: this one has a major defect like yellow spots, loads of dead pixels or whatever.

I've written a massive review on the Qnix but it's in Dutch so it wont be any good to you.
If you have any questions regarding the Qnix please contact me via PM, i'll be happy to answer all questions or provide pictures thumb.gif
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post #4 of 13
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Quoting the article you just posted:
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the relevant question is really whether the choppiness bothers you or not, rather than whether it’s visible

Have you ever played a first person shooter on a CTR (120Hz) then swapped to a generic TFT monitor (60Hz)?
While you can't really tell the difference by watching a movie, you can feel the experience being overall "snappier" while playing.

btw, since you like to link studies:
Quote:
recent studies have shown that the Retina actually juggles when processing information. In 2014, it was shown during research that the human eye could see at various frame rates varying from person to person. It is still unsettled on what the average "frame rate" of the human eye is, but so far based on recent studies within the last decade, show the human eye seeing anywhere between 75 to 150 fps with an average of about 140 fps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate#cite_note-10

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/196406-retinal-jiggles-why-your-eyes-and-brain-strongly-prefer-games-at-60-fps


anyways, thanks for the reply man thumb.gif
post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by Tegiri Nenashi View Post

What is this fascination with 144Hz? I bet if you put a blind test with one system running 60 Hz (let alone 90Hz) vs the other 144Hz, I bet exactly 0% of users would be able to reliably tell them apart.

For god sake, it has been established for a long time that puny 24Hz is good enough for movies:
https://xcorr.net/2011/11/20/whats-the-maximal-frame-rate-humans-can-perceive/
Frame rate propellerheads are akin to audiophiles, who never listen to a reason.

P.S. I just have noticed that there is a pun in a "blind test". Don't take it verbatim.
FFS, I'm so sick of seeing these types of comments. If you haven't gamed on a 144hz monitor you have no basis behind your statement, don't mislead others. Just because 24hz is good enough for movies doesn't make it good enough for games. Quite the contrary, it is utter crap to run a game at 24fps and even 30fps.

I have owned 60hz monitors and 120 hz and currently own a 144hz monitor. You can very clearly see a difference between 60hz and 120hz in racing games and other games that have fast paced action. I don't care what any self proclaimed internet expert says, it is plain as day and everyone who has gamed on both will agree.

As for the OP's question, that monitor can overclock pretty well I think but not guaranteed. I've never owned a Koren panel so can't comment. I do know that glossy screens make the colors pop even more, so that's a plus. I think the picture will be leaps and bounds better than the BenQ TN panel, as you already know.
post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks, stin0 and jlp0209.

I feel reassured, I think I'm on the right track here thumb.gif
Edited by jorgemmsilva - 2/9/16 at 12:38pm
post #7 of 13
I'd suggest that youtube video is rigged. Check up
http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates
60Hz is nowhere that choppy. But then, is 90Hz (mentioned in the OP message as much cheaper alternative to 144Hz) good enough? From the referenced link I read:

"The wobble — more properly known as ocular microtremor — occurs at an average frequency of 83.68Hz, with a jiggle range of around 150-250nm, or about the width of 1-3 photoreceptors in the retina."

Back during CRT days, to make flicker unnoticeable I have found 75Hz satisfactory, and 100Hz perfect.
Edited by Tegiri Nenashi - 2/9/16 at 1:03pm
post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by Tegiri Nenashi View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by jorgemmsilva View Post

Sadly, this monitor isn't 144Hz but should be easily overclocked to 96~120Hz.

What is this fascination with 144Hz? I bet if you put a blind test with one system running 60 Hz (let alone 90Hz) vs the other 144Hz, I bet exactly 0% of users would be able to reliably tell them apart. Which prompts a question, what are all those PC tech reviewing sites are doing lately: on slow news day this is exactly kind of urban legend to put to test.

Please note that puny 24Hz is good enough for movies:
https://xcorr.net/2011/11/20/whats-the-maximal-frame-rate-humans-can-perceive/


P.S. I just have noticed that there is a pun in a "blind test". Don't take it verbatim.
You must be blind.

I can tell the difference between 60 and 72Hz on ANY monitor. It's extremely obvious. 60Hz feels like a slideshow compared to 96Hz. Desktop, movie, game whatever. You CAN tell the difference and it is significant
Anyone who says they can't obviously hasn't seen it for themselves!!

Someone else please feel free to chime in and crush this "argument" out for good with some legit science here.


OP don't get the QNIX, I've got it and it's great but they stopped making them the same, they have PWM dimming now which ruins it. They'll almost all overclocked to 96Hz without a problem, but you won't get 120Hz without serious color loss which is the point. You'll also get a LOT of image retention at such high refresh rates on these panels.

This website has all the info you need:
http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/monitor-reviews-discussion/15723-monitor-questions-read-1st-post-post-questions-here-send-me-private-message.html
NCX is here on OCN as @MenacingTuba

I'm having trouble making a decision as well. I want to upgrade to a 120Hz+ monitor with G-sync, but I'm cheap and the non-Korean panels don't have enough "value" for me to justify upgrading over my current monitor. (Maybe).
Edited by cookieboyeli - 2/9/16 at 1:22pm
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Holy ****. Thanks mate, I had no idea about the PWM LED dimming.

I'm googling about this one now:

CrossOver 2795QHD 2560x1440 LG AH-IPS
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by jorgemmsilva View Post

Holy ****. Thanks mate, I had no idea about the PWM LED dimming.

I'm googling about this one now:

CrossOver 2795QHD 2560x1440 LG AH-IPS
thumb.gif No problem. There are tons of things to know about and tons of monitors to choose from. That's a great choice but I'm not sure it's the best choice, I'm still researching.
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