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For my future reference ... they are the X99-M WS and the Maximus VIII Gene. I think I have a bunch of reading to do. One thing that jumps out at me is no graphic support from the X99 ... ok by me ... that is what the GPU is for. Also ... re single v multi-thread performance ... say what? I guess I have a bit of research to do.

OCN is your friend. A quick search for X99 MATX motherboards found a few threads here that contained quite a bit of information. Most people talked about these motherboards and future-proofing ... so if I am going to go that way, then I think I need one that doesn't throttle the M.2 slot. Not that I am planning to use the M.2 slot. My onboard storage will be two 512Gb SSD in RAID-0 / Mirror for my OS. All other storage will be on my NAS.

Threads I found ...

http://www.overclock.net/t/1511534/where-is-the-good-matx-micro-atx-x99-board/0_100
http://www.overclock.net/t/1558301/tpu-asus-x99m-ws-micro-atx-motherboard-pictured/0_100

PCPartspicker has 7 boards ...

  • ASRock Fatal1ty X99M Killer (exclude because there is a v3.1)
  • ASRock Fatal1ty X99M Killer/3.1 (exclude because I just can't live with the red)
  • ASRock X99M Extreme4 (blue ... can I live with that?)
  • Asus X99-M WS
  • EVGA Micro (exclude because there is a v2)
  • EVGA Micro 2
  • Gigabyte GA-X99M-GAMING 5 (exclude because max 32Gb of ram)

A good summary of the X99M market (at the time) ... (Click to show)
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Has there been any talk of any new motherboards beyond the Asus X99-M WS, and the EVGA X99 Micro2?

The Asus board comes SO close. If only they'd given it a m.2 slot that supported PCIe 3.0 x4.

I may be contradicting what I previously said before in regards to what the ideal slot configuration might be. However I have noticed some recent developments that make a few changes.
* These new PCIe 3.0 x4 M.2 SSDs are *FAST* and more available at this point. The market for full PCIe 3.0 x4 SSDs has matured in the past 12 months. I'm ready to ditch my LSI controller with corresponding striped SSDs in favor for one of these NVe SM950 that Samsung offers.
* There are now more Qualcomm Atheros 2-stream 802.11ac WiFi cards on the market that support the trifecta of OS (Windows, Linux, OSx86).
* A 'stacked' M.2 slot like Gigabyte did on their Gaming GA-X99M-GAMING 5 board allows for both an M.2 SSD, and a M.2 WiFi card, while not using any additional motherboard real estate.
* The unique/proprietary Half-height, Mini PCIe adapter that Asus put on their X99-M WS board allows us to install another half-height Mini PCIe WiFi card (perhaps Dell's DW1601 and getting 802.11ad WiGig working!!!


I really do not understand why Asus did the slot layout like they did on their X99-M WS board. It came out almost a year after first iteration of X99 mATX (the ASRock X99M, EVGA X99 Micro) - When PCIe 3.0 x4 M.2 SSDs were actually on the market. Why would they not give us a full speed PCIe 3.0 m.2 slot? Was it to make room for the PCIe 2.0 x1 slot? The Asus board gives us dual LAN (and not that Killer Atheros ethernet garbage either), and it has WiFi (and that cool little adapter that we can likely put any other half height, mini-PCIe wifi card in). What are we supposed to do with that x1 slot? A standalone sound card? Pffft, no.

This is phenomenally amazing. We've got FOUR hardware manufacturers that have designed and released x99 mATX motherboards. Yet none of them could get it right.

Here's what the slot layout should be.
slot1 - PCIe 3.0 x16
slot2 - stacked M.2 with both a full PCIe 3.0 x4 speed m.2 type3 slot and another m.2 slot for WiFi. This would not be necessary if there were something like what Asus did for the WiFi on their X99-M WS board.
slot3 - PCIe 3.0 x16
slot4 - PCIe 3.0 x8/x4 -- which drops to x4 if the m.2 ssd slot is utilized.


ASRock - Gets the type3 M.2 slot right by giving us full PCIe 3.0 x4 speeds. Yet robs us with slot4 by only making it PCIe 2.0 x4 -- This was likely because of the thunderbolt card that ASRock also sells (it's PCIe 2.0 x4), and because of the 5-pin thunderbolt header that corresponds to that particular card. By the way wanna know what Thunderbolt is good for? Making an eGPU dock for MacBooks. Other than that, NOTHING. Thank Intel for that by them being nazi's by charging exorbitant licensing fees to design anything with Thunderbolt. Just read up on how they made bplus/hwtools.net recall all those TH03 cards that they were selling. Why? Because laws.

Gigabyte - Fails to give us a full speed PCIe 3.0 x4 M.2 slot for SSDs. - Get's one thing right by giving us a slot for m.2 wifi - Yet completely fails to give us a single 4-pin PWM fan header.

Asus - Everything but a full PCIe 3.0 x4 speed M.2 SSD slot. - Skips out on that to give us PCIe 2.0 x1 slot, which is made useless since they gave us dual gigabit lan, and wifi elsewhere.

EVGA - The only design X99 mATX board that manages to give us three PCIe 3.0 slots, and a PCIe 3.0 x4 M.2 slot. - Although there is no dual gigabit lan, nor anywhere to install any flavor of PCIe WiFi Mini PCIe, M.2.

At least Realtek gave us a 3+ stream 802.11ac WiFi chipset that connects to USB 3.0. So with the EVGA board we can at least use something like D-Link DWA-192 and connecting it to a USB 3.0 slot for 4x4:3 stream 802.11ac WiFi.

Concluding comment in one of the threads I linked to above ... (Click to show)
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I'm absolutely swallowing my words here..

If the EVGA board will not allow us to use anything in the bottom PCIe slot when the M.2 slot is occupied - then the ASRock board's slot layout is superior, as a functional PCIe 2.0 x4 slot is better than a nonfunctional PCIe 3.0 x8/x4 slot.

Therefore - As of right now, if one were to use one M.2 SSD (as opposed to a PCIe storage controller/PCIe SSD) - then either the ASRock boards become the most optimal slot layout.


OR - There's another option - If you're using a single slot gpu (such as a liquid cooled R9 Fury X with the single slot adapter bracket) in the 2nd x16 slot. You can use an adapter like this to put up to two M.2 SSDs in the bottom PCIe 3.0 x8 slot - on a board such as the ASUS one.
http://www.hwtools.net/Adapter/M2P4S.html

*sigh


Looks preference is currently ASUS with the EVGA looking pretty good too. No need to rush this decision as it will be months before I have the budget for these goodies anyway.
post #182 of 601
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I've been thinking about the minimum spend needed to get this PC up and running ... here is what I think I need ...

I'll port some of my parts from my existing Corsair 550D case ... in particular, the SSD (512Gb) and the GPU (EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti 1GB Video Card). They will get replaced as and when.

So ... that (only) comes to about $1,100 ... I'll start looking down the back of the couch.

Edited by ruffhi - 6/14/16 at 3:13pm
post #183 of 601
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I've been thinking about the minimum spend needed to get this PC up and running ... here is what I think I need ...

I'll port some of my parts from my existing Corsair 550D case ... in particular, the SSD (512Gb) and the GPU (EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti 1GB Video Card). They will get replaced as and when.

So ... that (only) comes to about $1,100 ... I'll start looking down the back of the couch.

All purchased ... this is fun!
post #184 of 601
Damn dude, 64gb??

Looks good, I can't wait for some more pics!
post #185 of 601
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I've been thinking about the minimum spend needed to get this PC up and running ... here is what I think I need ...
Both coming from SuperBiiz ... shipped ... ETA is Friday.
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Coming from Newegg ... with some small UPSs ... shipped ... ETA is Thursday.
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'Processing' (what ever that means) ... coming from modmymods ... expect to see it in the Tue / Thur timeframe (NY to MA isn't far).

Crickets from CaseLabs re my S5 order from April 21st. I did request a shipping delay with an ETA of June 22 (next Wednesday). I sent a follow up email to them late last night.

I also ordered a sample pack from mod-one with some cable clips. ETA on that is Monday. My next update will be a comparison of sleeving sample packs between mod-one (MDPC), MainFrameCustom and Mod-guru.
post #186 of 601
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Damn dude, 64gb??

Yeah ... no half measures here. Well, except for the mATX board. I did go back and forth between the S5 and the S8S more times that I care to remember.
post #187 of 601
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Yeah ... no half measures here. Well, except for the mATX board. I did go back and forth between the S5 and the S8S more times that I care to remember.

S8S plus pedestal. Less Memory, same cost.


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post #188 of 601
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In the end ... it was SIZE that made the difference. I cut down a cardboard box to the size of an S8S and sat it on / beside my desk. It was just too big.
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In the end ... it was SIZE that made the difference. I cut down a cardboard box to the size of an S8S and sat it on / beside my desk. It was just too big.

Then for your needs, you made the right choice.

I have a 72" x 30" computer table and my S8S sits on top at the far end and such a low profile, it's perfectly at home there.

I got the white frame, glossy reflective hospital white top.

http://www.versatables.com/configurator/basic-computer-table/&qty=1


I thought I was not convincing enough with the S8S, and I failed you. sad-smiley-002.gif


A white surface is so perfect for placing black components on top, and for product photos.


IMG_4676_zpstpt4xghu.jpg

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Edited by iBruce - 6/20/16 at 9:53am
     
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post #190 of 601
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Crickets from CaseLabs re my S5 order from April 21st. I did request a shipping delay with an ETA of June 22 (next Wednesday). I sent a follow up email to them late last night.

Email reply from CaseLabs ... S5 should ship today or tomorrow with a 3-5 business days shipping timetable. It will be a week as I am all the way over on the east coast. I should see it next Monday or Tuesday.

I also heard back from ModMyMods and the CPU block should ship by Friday.

I guess I will be running extensive RAM tests this weekend using a Cryorig C1 as the CPU cooler.
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