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post #291 of 601
Wow, when this build started I had no idea what to expect of it, especially with this theme, but this is turning out beautiful thumb.gif
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Wow, when this build started I had no idea what to expect of it, especially with this theme, but this is turning out beautiful thumb.gif

Thx willemdoom for the kind words. I believe I had some insight into what to expect ... I just wasn't sure that I could pull it off. This whole build I have been putting off the bending of the hardline acrylic ... I am now pretty sure that there isn't anything that I can do in its place ... have to face the blower!
post #293 of 601
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First Bend Attempt ...

Any feedback? One thing I noted is that the insert did have some play in the tube. Everything is Monsoon (tube, bending kit, etc).


LiqAsrt-0332-Bend.jpg
LiqAsrt-0333-Bend.jpg


Edit: The hard tube is 12.45mm external (sounds like 1/2" to me) and 9.5mm internal. The rubber tube ia a little hard to get a measure on but it (max) 8.2mm.

LiqAsrt-0334-Bend.jpg
Edited by ruffhi - 7/12/16 at 7:51pm
post #294 of 601
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More Bend Attempts ...

I got some feedback from Darlene that could be summed up as 'you heated the tube too long and pulled it thin'. she didn't think the small insert was an issue. She also suggested that pause at each end of the heat run so that it got some more heat gun exposure.

Details in this post.

I had watched the Monsoon bending video and one of the items stressed there was that most 'first timers' don't heat the tube enough. I was thinking on that during the 3 minutes of heat gun exposure.

Anyway ... any feedback is good so here are attempts #2, #3 and #4 ...

Bend #1 is just a repeat of the one I tried last night.


LiqAsrt-0335-Bend.jpg

Bend #2 is with more tube 'in play' (ie a bigger heating area) and pausing at the ends of the heating runs. I also didn't heat it as long.

Results were shocking! Worse that #1. I think my heating area was just too big and there wasn't any chance of getting that large an area all ready to bend at the same time.


LiqAsrt-0336-Bend.jpg

Bend #3 was the result of a more focused heating regime ... but it still suffered from a collapse of the inner wall on the later part of the bend. I am looking into getting a more 'snug' 3/8" tube ... because ... I think that this tube isn't helping me.

LiqAsrt-0337-Bend.jpg

Bend #4 was similar to #3 except that I tried to let the tube tell me when it wanted to be bent. I also held the tube (pre bending) into the mandrel better this time ... and then pushed the bending part of the tube into the mandrel with a more consistent force.

I think I am pretty happy with bend #4.


LiqAsrt-0338-Bend.jpg
LiqAsrt-0339-Bend.jpg
post #295 of 601
bend #4 looks great. good job.
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bend #4 looks great. good job.

I agree.
 
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post #297 of 601
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more bending feedback ...
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@ruffhi

It looks like that your bending tube is too small. I know you've mentioned that it's all monsoon products and therefore should fit together. Personally I also used only monsoon products when I did my build, however I used the red kit(1/2-5/8) and my bending tube didn't have that much room when inserted to the petg tube. I believe your "space" between the bending tube and the inside "wall2 of your rigid tube may be a reason to the looks in your second picture.

The first picture it seem you "overbend" your 90 degree. And that seem to be because you didn't use the mandrell "correct". The only reason I see why your tube overbend using the mandrell is that you didn't make sure that the rigid tube was "following" the curve of the mandrell while bending it.
Kind of like "you were going too fast" to make a turn at a junktion. Meaning you went too far straight out, before you were able to actually turn right.... If that makes any sense...

Anyway reguarding tube bending just practice, practice... It will become easier as times go by, and soon you'll be mastering it to perfection wink.gif

Good luck with your build..
post #298 of 601
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Feedback from Mr Monsoon (BoxGods) ...
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The silicone bending rod should not be a tight fit and it is better if it isn't. If you have to sand on the silicone or oil it to get it in and out of the tube that leads to a lot of other issues. The example pictured in the green tube looks like it was not heated in a wide enough area along the tube, or the heated area was not centered on the bend. The silicone insert is soft--even if it was a tight fit incorrect temperature, uneven heating, incorrect location of heat application, incorrect bend speed, too mich pressure (pressing the tube into the mandrel too hard) etc. will cause issues because the insert can be easily deformed.

Bending tube is as much about feel and "hand skill" as anything else so there really isn't a substitute for practice. Get a few extra sticks of tube to practice on. Cut it into shorter pieces so it is easier to work with and see what is going on. Don't just keep doing the same things (heat time and area, bend speed, pressure, etc.) and expect a different / better result.

The reason I mention feel and hand skills is that there is no one EXACT formula. Like xx heat over xx area bent at xx speed with xx pressure. Some guys will prefer the tube slightly hotter and will bend a little faster with less pressure. Others might be more comfortable with less heat, slower bend speed, and more pressure. I have bent a fair amount of tube but I still do a few practice bends if I have not bent any tube in a month or two, or if I am using a new color or tube size or switching from acrylic to PETG etc.

Some common issues I see with new benders. Improperly prepared work area. Have everything set up and the area cleared of any obstacles--do a "cold" rehearsal of the actions you will take for the bend cycle to make sure everything is in place and there are no obstructions. Make sure you are applying the heat fairly close to where you will actually be bending and once you make the move from heat to mandrel don't dilly dick around. Being unsure where to heat is the number one cause of applying the heat to the wrong location on the tube. use a pencil (not a marker) and mark the center and each end of your bend. Be consistent with your marking habits so you can practice where you will heat in relation to your marks. Excessive force. Try to push and pull and press with as little pressure as will work. Almost everyone under heats the tube their first few practice bends and "cold" tube requires a lot more force. After they get the tube hot enough the inclination is to apply as much force as they did previously on the cold bends
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I should also point out that a silicone bending rod that is a tight fit for a single bend becomes more and more unworkable with multiple bends in close proximity to each other. Our bending rods are not a stock off the shelf size. We have those extruded custom just for bending because stock sizes are way too tight.
post #299 of 601
I didn't know it is that hard to bend tubes ! Would it be easier with metal tubes ?
post #300 of 601
I would think it may even be harder with metal tubes tongue.gif

I think the general consensus is to fill the tube with sand or something similar to prevent it from collapsing when you make the bend.
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