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Another vid ... going vid crazy here biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by ruffhi View Post

I've ordered a Monsoon MMRS Mate Kit- Black from PPCs because it contains a anti-vortex device. Monsoon says that you can buy them individually (well, in packets of 2) but they haven't pushed that to PPCs (or PPCs isn't showing that option) yet. Small, individual item orders from PPCs really annoying ... shipping is expensive and it takes a week to get here.

Compare that to ModMyMods where I seem to place an order every 2nd day.

Information I am getting back about my pumps (I'll copy / summarize that here later) is that I should run some basic loops with my pumps to test them. This will need a strip down of the complete loop so that I can set up ...

Reservoir --> pump --> flow meter --> reservoir

Actually going to modify this ... I am going to ...
  1. reinstall the Cryorig air tower CPU cooler
  2. modify the loop so that it flows from the flow meter to the reservoir intake (ie take the CPU block out)
  3. connect the Aquaero to the motherboard via USB
  4. install keyboard, monitor and mouse
  5. fire up everything and install Aquasuite (there seems to be stuff that you can only do via the Aquasuite)

I guess you would call this an air cooled computer with a custom do-nothing water loop.
Edited by ruffhi - 7/18/16 at 2:02pm
post #323 of 601
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Posted from Liquorice Allsorts!!!! Sure ... under air ... but up and running!
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Whoo hooo! Time to get that pump sorted out thumb.gif
post #325 of 601
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I have my spare 2nd PSU running the pump ... so I can run the computer with and without the pump ... or run the pump with and without the computer.

I also got aquasuite installed. But it doesn't come with any standard displays. Any bog standard ones that I can download from somewhere?

From watching the front panel, everything reports as zero ... no RPM on the fans, no RPM on the pump, no flow on from the loop. The fan does report using some electricity (I am running the exhaust fan off the Aquaero). I'll try and play with it some more tomorrow.
post #326 of 601
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LiqAsrt-Header.jpg

Setting Up My Aquaero - Guide for Noobs?

I don't know anything about Aquaeros ... or is that aeroes? The Aquaero thread is 8000 posts deep ... too deep for me to wade through looking for answers. I will search it ... but I won't try and read every page.

Instead, I will experiment, google, research and try and set mine up so that it works.

I'm also going to document in this post (re-edit is your friend) how I have mine set up and stuff that I picked up along the way.


Part 1 - Connecting the Cables

There are currently a bunch of wires running to my Aquaero. They are:
  1. [Edit] A 5-pin USB 2 wire ... who knew you needed to connect the Aquaero to your motherboard
    That is ... I am assuming that you do. Maybe you don't ... if you don't ... how will it get the hardware values
    My Aquaero was showing a big fat nothing ... but then I clicked around the interface and the system told me that ...
    a) I needed to update the firmware on the hardware
    b) run aquasuite as administrator
  2. power ... a 4 wire Molex connector coming from one of my SATA outlet ports on the PSU.
    I made a custom wire here and had some difficulty getting the right molex terminal in the right PSU plug location (see post #314 above)
  3. 3 x temp sensors ...
    I might add another water temp sensor so that the Aquaero can calculate heat dissipation
    • #1 is on the right side (looking at the front) pedestal fans
    • #2 is a water temp just before the loop heads into the pedestal
    • #3 is on the left side pedestal fans
  4. 3 connectors to the fan controllers ...
    • #1 is front and rear case fans (includes a Noctua 4-pin fan splitter)
    • #2 is pedestal fans (sleeved in black with a F on the connector)
    • #3 is water pumps (sleeved in white with a P on the connector)
  5. Connection to the flow sensor
    I made a 4 wire, female to female connector using standard fan connectors.
    It is sleeved in pink so that it is obvious which is the flow sensor 'Aquaero' cable.
    I also need to connect the flow sensor to the motherboard using a USB 2.0 connector during initial setup.
    I spent some time this morning looking at my motherboard manual to ensure that the flow sensor USB pinning was comparable ... it is.

Here is an image that I found of the back of a Aquaero 6 (with red heat sink) ... thanks Akira749 biggrin.gif. This is exactly the same as mine except that my heat sink is black.




Part 2 - Installing Aquasuite

Check the first post of the Aquaero thread to get the link to the latest version of the software. Warning ... it may require some other downloads to get it up and running (ie Microsoft ???).

Part 3 - Setting up Aquasuite

My next step was to google some youtubes ... found this ... aquasuite 2012 customized overview pages which was very useful regarding getting started. The only downside I found is that it doesn't have any sound frown.gif.

I also found this one ... Aquacomputer Aquasuite 2015 Fan controller overview ... which does have sound.

Here is another run down of setting up your aquasuite.

This is pretty good software ... as you turn things on (ie pump), the software adds a page full of pump guff. I am running one (1) pump without PWM control (does that mean 60%) and I am getting 350 litres per hour (google tells me that that is 1.54 gpm).



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Edited by ruffhi - 7/22/16 at 5:12am
post #327 of 601
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Update on my pump situation. I have put my air cooler back on and now the water loop goes up to the anchor point (see post #319) and then straight around and back into the reservoir. That last leg is also in a clear tube so that I can see the water flow. I am also driving the pump(s) by a second PSU so that the water loop is 100% independent from the computer.

I am only running one pump at a time but I can say that neither pump is making any sort of horrible noise in the short term ... medium term or long term. That is the good news.

In other news, my aquasuite and aquaero are starting to talk to each other. As I mentioned above, I am getting 350 litres per hour (or 1.5 gpm) from a single pump. I will try two pumps ... but I would really like to work out the following:

How do I change the fan control from volts to PWM?
How do I change the flow value from litre per hour to gallon per minute?
post #328 of 601
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My aquasuite and aquaero are starting to talk to each other. As I mentioned above, I am getting 350 litres per hour (or 1.5 gpm) from a single pump. I will try two pumps ... but I would really like to work out the following:

How do I change the fan control from volts to PWM?
How do I change the flow value from litre per hour to gallon per minute?

Success ... I changed the three FAN controllers that I am using from power to PWM. Now the case fans are running at 400rpm and the pedestal fans are running at about 450rpm (much quieter than the 1700rpm that they were running at.

However, I can't get a rpm reading from the pump and it doesn't seem that I can control it via PWM.
post #329 of 601
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My Monsoon trident arrived today ... as part the Monsoon MMRS Mate Kit ... seems an expensive way to get a trident ... but I didn't want to wait until the trident only packs got through to PPCs.

So ... I'll need to partially drain my loop to expose the reservoir ... and then take it down to insert the trident. That should take care of my vortex ... even though it was cool looking ... it wasn't something that I wanted to keep. Actually, now that I can PWM control my pumps (the issue mentioned above was caused by extremely poor QA control on my custom built pump extension cable), I will bring them both on-line and ramp down their speed with the aim of seeing how much RPM I need to keep a 1 gpm flow.

Edit: Provided power to both pumps and turned them down to 40% after connecting them to the Aquaero. I've also got a dummy page set up on aquasuite that shows both fan sets, pumps, flow rate, etc.

At 40% PWM, pumps are running at 2100 rpm and flow rate is 0.85 gpm. I get a fair amount of liquid sounds sloshing around the two pumps ... I might need to look at ways of quietening them some. Oh ... and my vortex is smaller and virtually no bubbles escaping the reservoir ... I just might keep it smile.gif. Maybe I put the vortex at the bottom?

Edited by ruffhi - 7/22/16 at 9:49am
post #330 of 601
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Molex connectors, especially the male versions are completely giving me the ****s. I have them running power to both of my pumps and my radiator fans. I can tell you from experience, that you don't want to unplug, plug, unplug, plug (etc) them because the female molex effectively pushes the loose, floppy and pathetic male pin right out the back of the connector.

There must be a better option for me.

Here is the pin out for the molex connector ...

pin out for the molex connector (Click to show)
LiqAsrt-0351-PinOut.jpg

I only need the 12v and GND wires from the molex as the pumps and fans only like / want 12v. Could that open an option for me?

Take a look at this pin out of the 8-pin auxiliary CPU connectors ...

pin out of the 8-pin auxiliary CPU connectors (Click to show)
LiqAsrt-0352-PinOut.jpg

The bottom (the click-in thingo is on the top) row coming out of the PSU are all 12v. The top row is all GND.
  1. Can I run a 2 wires out of this 8-pin plug to power each pump #1?
  2. Can I run a 2 wires out of this 8-pin plug to power each pump #2?
  3. Can I run a 2 wires out of this 8-pin plug to power the pedestal fans?
  4. Can each of these set of 2 wires come from the same 8-pin plug?

I can't seem to find any 2-pin EPS connectors ... but there are 4-pin versions available ...
4-pin versions (Click to show)
4p-atx-male-500x380.png4p-atx-female-500x380.png

... and I can attach a male to each end of the wires coming from the pumps / pedestal fans and a female to the wires coming from the PSU ... and that would give me my power and a cleaner way to plug and unplug the power connectors.

So ... any issues? Is it a problem running each 12v wire to a different item? I'll have to tag this set up so that I don't forget what is what ... I don't think that this is a standard set-up.

Wait a minute ... I am sure I saw a build log where the guy was going crazy splitting wires left, right and center. I did ... [Build Log] STH10 - Project Fill it UP by @Bytales where he talked about wago connectors.

I run a 12v wire from the PSU into a splitter wago connector and then I run the 12v wire from each pump and pedestal fans into that connector ... and bingo ... 12v power everywhere. I'll also run a GND version too ... into a different wago connector.

Edited by ruffhi - 7/22/16 at 5:35pm
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