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ModMyMods carries Barrow fittings if that helps at all. smile.gif

Thx for the info. There are some white items that I am after and, from what I can see, MMM doesn't stock white.

Or I could order all of the above from ModMyMods in black for $29.47 (including OCN discount and shipping) and 7-10 days until they get here. Actually, it should get here sooner as I think it is only coming from New York.

Ordered from ModMyMods on the 25th. Shipped on the 25th. Arrived on the 27th. Can't complain about that shipping delay thumb.gif

Edited by ruffhi - 2/27/16 at 10:19am
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Ordered from ModMyMods on the 25th. Shipped on the 25th. Arrived on the 27th.

That's some pretty good shipping!
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Barrow Fittings

As I said above, my first shipment of Barrow fittings arrived today. Four (4) items. Just enough to plumb the drain in my pedestal.

LiqAsrt-0052.jpg
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They look pretty good. The only problem ... I gently removed the valve form the plastic bag and rotated the handle about 50° ... and click ... one busted handle. And then the Barrow logo on the top of the handle popped off.

I saw another post (searching now) where this had happened to someone.


LiqAsrt-0054.jpg

Post found ... and the reply.

It seems the one I got from ModMyMods is (part number) TQFS-V1 that has a plastic handle. The ones being advertised on AliExpress are (part number) TLQFS-V1 that has an aluminum handle.

Checking my order, it says 'Barrow G1/4" Mini Ball Valve Fitting - Black (TQFS-V1)' but the one shown on the web site has an aluminium handle.
Picture from ModMyMods ... (Click to show)
tqfs-v1_1.jpg

I'll email ModMyMods about it ... will wait and see what type of feedback I get.

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Edited by ruffhi - 2/27/16 at 12:06pm
post #44 of 601
That's actually quite a common complaint with the valves. Sorry you ran into the issue. I made sure I ordered the metal one from aliexpress when I did my build for that reason. I hope you get a refund.
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I just spend 5 to 10 minutes looking at my fittings and seeing how they will actually fit into the pedestal. The good news is that the 90° rotary does fit into the bottom port on one of the radiators and clear the bottom plate in the pedestal. It even clears it when I add a Monsoon Economic Compression fitting although the clearance after adding the compression fitting is very small.

The bad news is that I cannot use a pass-though on the front panel like I had hoped (see spoiler pic below).

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There isn't the required amount of room between front inner panel and the the front cover panel for the pass-through / plug combination.

Ok, no worries. Change of plans for the drain required.

I am now going to exit the bottom port with a 90° Rotary (as above) but face the rotary down the length of the radiator ... all the way to the back where I will have the valve, a male to male fitting and then the pass-through and plug. So ... the drain will be at the back.

Fine - I can live with that.
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In Other News, the feedback regarding the fitting / tube 'color' combination for the pedestal has been very underwhelming. Come on folks ... do you have a preference?

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Input Useful: So ... what should the tubing in the pedestal look like. All black, all white, mixture of the two? Any input gladly received. Note that the Barrow parts that I ordered this morning and are already shipped(!) are all black. They will form the drain (with some tubing ... that could be either black, white, clear, etc). There is no reason to have the drain and the radiator connector match.
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In Other News, the feedback regarding the fitting / tube 'color' combination for the pedestal has been very underwhelming. Come on folks ... do you have a preference?

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Input Useful: So ... what should the tubing in the pedestal look like. All black, all white, mixture of the two? Any input gladly received. Note that the Barrow parts that I ordered this morning and are already shipped(!) are all black. They will form the drain (with some tubing ... that could be either black, white, clear, etc). There is no reason to have the drain and the radiator connector match.
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My First Tube Run ... ever

Well ... here is where the rookie rubber hits the road. I have all of the tools ... just none of the experience. Watching vids is all good and fine ... but you don't learn until you have screwed up yourself. First issue was that I couldn't get any of my rulers in the gap to measure how long the tube needed to be. The gap was about 85mm ... but the shortest of my rulers was 100mm. Problem solved by using a piece of carboard ...

LiqAsrt-0055.jpg

Next I measured that piece ... deducting ½mm for the slight bend in the piece ... and adding 10mm for the tube that gets recessed in the fitting (5mm per side).

LiqAsrt-0056.jpg
LiqAsrt-0057.jpg

That gives me a length of 95mm. I added some blue masking tap ... because all the vids use blue and not green, brown, gray or any other color. Also because that was the only color I had laying around.

The picture doesn't look like I have lined up the tube very well, but that is just parallax error

LiqAsrt-0058.jpg

Put my modified Monsoon cutting miter box into my vice, add the tube and align the cutting mark ... I wanted to be ever so slightly shorter so that I had a little bit of wiggle room.

Looking at the picture below, you can clearly see that my tube isn't flush with the bottom of the miter box - you can see that the left side is higher. I didn't notice that when I did the cut. Rookie learning opportunity #1!

LiqAsrt-0059.jpg

Tube cut. Is there a tinge of blue in the dust on this side of the miter box? I guess that is from the blue tap. Pulling out the short piece of tube and removing the blue tap shows that the cut is hopelessly non perpendicular. As it turns out, this is caused by two factors (rookie learning opportunity #1) ...

LiqAsrt-0060.jpg

... and rookie learning opportunity #2 ... I cut into the miter box ... hence the blue tinted dust. frown.gif (How embarrassing!).

LiqAsrt-0061.jpg

Wet / Dry 400 sanding later and I have a tube that I think is flush enough to use. Again, the picture highlights that I should have cleaned the inside of the tube before inserting it (#3)

LiqAsrt-0062.jpg

Finished. What do you think? Still go with white and white? I was actually leaning towards white tube, black fittings ... so there is nothing lost with this attempt.

LiqAsrt-0063.jpg
LiqAsrt-0064.jpg

Here is an example of the drain run ... now going to the back panel. Could be either black or white tubing. Actually, since this particular tube run is almost impossible to see (as opposed to the between radiators tube run in my pedestal that is only marginally impossible to see), I could use any of the other spare tubing colors that I have (red, blue, clear, etc).

LiqAsrt-0065.jpg

And finally, here is a picture showing why I can't put the drain up front ... there isn't room behind the front cover for the outside of the 'pass-through' and the plug.

LiqAsrt-0066.jpg


LiqAsrt-Footer.jpg
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
LiqAsrt-Header.jpg

My First Tube Run ... ever

Well ... here is where the rookie rubber hits the road. I have all of the tools ... just none of the experience. Watching vids is all good and fine ... but you don't learn until you have screwed up yourself. First issue was that I couldn't get any of my rulers in the gap to measure how long the tube needed to be. The gap was about 85mm ... but the shortest of my rulers was 100mm. Problem solved by using a piece of carboard ...

LiqAsrt-0055.jpg

Next I measured that piece ... deducting ½mm for the slight bend in the piece ... and adding 10mm for the tube that gets recessed in the fitting (5mm per side).

LiqAsrt-0056.jpg
LiqAsrt-0057.jpg

That gives me a length of 95mm. I added some blue masking tap ... because all the vids use blue and not green, brown, gray or any other color. Also because that was the only color I had laying around.

The picture doesn't look like I have lined up the tube very well, but that is just parallax error

LiqAsrt-0058.jpg

Put my modified Monsoon cutting miter box into my vice, add the tube and align the cutting mark ... I wanted to be ever so slightly shorter so that I had a little bit of wiggle room.

Looking at the picture below, you can clearly see that my tube isn't flush with the bottom of the miter box - you can see that the left side is higher. I didn't notice that when I did the cut. Rookie learning opportunity #1!

LiqAsrt-0059.jpg

Tube cut. Is there a tinge of blue in the dust on this side of the miter box? I guess that is from the blue tap. Pulling out the short piece of tube and removing the blue tap shows that the cut is hopelessly non perpendicular. As it turns out, this is caused by two factors (rookie learning opportunity #1) ...

LiqAsrt-0060.jpg

... and rookie learning opportunity #2 ... I cut into the miter box ... hence the blue tinted dust. frown.gif (How embarrassing!).

LiqAsrt-0061.jpg

Wet / Dry 400 sanding later and I have a tube that I think is flush enough to use. Again, the picture highlights that I should have cleaned the inside of the tube before inserting it (#3)

LiqAsrt-0062.jpg

Finished. What do you think? Still go with white and white? I was actually leaning towards white tube, black fittings ... so there is nothing lost with this attempt.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
LiqAsrt-0063.jpg
LiqAsrt-0064.jpg

Here is an example of the drain run ... now going to the back panel. Could be either black or white tubing. Actually, since this particular tube run is almost impossible to see (as opposed to the between radiators tube run in my pedestal that is only marginally impossible to see), I could use any of the other spare tubing colors that I have (red, blue, clear, etc).

LiqAsrt-0065.jpg

And finally, here is a picture showing why I can't put the drain up front ... there isn't room behind the front cover for the outside of the 'pass-through' and the plug.

LiqAsrt-0066.jpg


LiqAsrt-Footer.jpg


IMO, yes, the white on white gives it a very clean and pure ascetic.
 
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post #49 of 601
I agree, White tubing with white fittings has a fairly nice appeal.

As for measuring tubing runs, one suggestion I remember reading about ages ago was one of those bendy flexible rulers you can get at sewing stores, as they're also usually long enough to be used for planning more complicated multiple bend tubing runs, and they'll hold whatever bend you give them.
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They look pretty good. The only problem ... I gently removed the valve form the plastic bag and rotated the handle about 50° ... and click ... one busted handle. And then the Barrow logo on the top of the handle popped off.

It seems the one I got from ModMyMods is (part number) TQFS-V1 that has a plastic handle. The ones being advertised on AliExpress are (part number) TLQFS-V1 that has an aluminum handle.

I'll email ModMyMods about it ... will wait and see what type of feedback I get.

Reply from MMM ...
Quote:
Hello Ruff,

Sorry about the defective product.

We don’t have the metal handled versions yet. Apologies for the incorrect picture. What I can do is send you another one and ill test it first before we send you the replacement. Will have tracking for the replacement tomorrow.

If you have any other questions feel free.

Best Regards,

I emailed back with a couple of other options as I am not keen on getting another busted product (tested or not). If it is going to be months until MMM stock the aluminium handle version then I will punt for store credit and order one from AliExpress. My (currently) favorite store has multiple colored versions (black, white or silver) with different colored handles (red, black, green, gold, blue, silver, etc).
Edited by ruffhi - 2/29/16 at 8:28am
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