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Originally Posted by paulerxx View Post

Yea...But I'm talking about a worthy upgrade.
Any 3GB or 4GB GPU is already a
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Originally Posted by Iwamotto Tetsuz View Post

R380 Flash/OC to R380X, Sure the chances of it working is really high
Diffrence is max overclocking, R380X clocked manufacturly higher has much more chance for more overclocking capalbility

Yeah Thats what I was thinking.
Because guys were saying 380 390 is just a old HD radeon 7XXX seires rebranded or overclocked / golden bin. Although I belive its a newer design.

HD7850 crossfire 2GB X2 =4GB was slower than a R9 270X 4GB though, so I don't know about that r 390 not being a upgrade

R3XX series is even newer than R 2XX series so a R9 290 Should already be a upgrade?

No you cant, I believe in this case the extra shaders arent there. You might be able to flash the BIOS but it wont unlock shaders that arent there. At least theres no evidence of anyone doing this succesfully yet.

Early on from the R9 290's a few were flashing to 290x's and I believe some Furys are able to unlock shaders and the older 6950 flashed quite often to a 6970, but not with the chips in the 380 and 380x.

the 380 is a rebranded r9 285 codenamed Tonga, the HD 7950 was Tahiti the same chip that was in the R9 280(not X), 380/285 has basically the same architecture as a HD7950/280 with a slimmer memory bus (256 bit instead of 384) but with delta compression technology on the memory to mitigate this and some tessellation performance improvements.

Also when you crossfire or SLI the memory pool is not stacked. So if you have 2x2 GB cards you still only have 2 GB of memory available. According to reports in the future under DX 12 it may be possible to pool the memory but it will have to be programmed in to the game by developers, its not a given that it will happen in every game.
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Any 3,4GB GPU out there is already a upgrade from your 7870

GTX 960 4gb should mean upgraded already

This means a R9 270 4GB is already an upgrade

R9 390 8GB is GTX980 teritory, Supposed to be the model that rivales each other

The r9 270 is the exact same GPU as a 7870 with more VRAM, its a pointless 'upgrade' IMO
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So...The only worthy upgrade is R9 390 / GTX 970? Would my Corsair 550 watt power supply even support that?

I'd probably stick with the 7870 for a while if you can, its still decent I think. This year is very likely going to bring a huge performance for the price you want to pay.
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So...The only worthy upgrade is R9 390 / GTX 970? Would my Corsair 550 watt power supply even support that?

You'd waited this long. my 290 is over two years old. i have a 7950 which is much older. that 550w is enuf. you don't need to oc 'cause even my 290 is about twice as fast as the 7870.

I'd say just wait a little while longer.
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even the GTX 970 may perform lesser than than your current GPU HD7870

The GTX 970 right?
Maximum Vmemory is 2GB I belive?
Any 2gb gpu is inferior vs a 4GB GPU
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If your 7870 is a 4GB then having a 970GTX 2GB is a downgrade
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lmao...That what I was thinking. "There's a 2GB GTX970?"
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I have a 380X. I just got it.

When overclocked, the performance levels are actually in the territory of a reference 290/390: see my post here with the benchmark scores.

It's actually quite a bit faster than a 7970, and I'd wager around 33% faster than a 7870. For example, my best Fire Strike score with a 270X (@1270mhz) was 6338. With my 380X it is 9465. This can all be seen on my HWBOT profile.

The 380 cannot be unlocked to a 380X, if this was possible I'm sure it would be fairly big news and there would be a thread about it already. 380 has 1792 shaders and is the same layout as a 7950/280. I believe they had yield problems with Tonga and thus, the dies were lasered off, physically disabling the defective shaders. I would imagine the 380 probably has the shaders destroyed. The 380X is the full version of the chip.

I would advise you to take anything Iwamotto says with a large grain of salt. He doesn't have the best reputation.

Personally, I would recommend you take your $240 and get a used R9 290 on Amazon or Ebay. They can often be gotten for less than $200. The only reason I got the 380X is as a placeholder card until I get dual Polaris or Pascal. I also wanted to bench it for the bot. I wanted something different. (And I just sold my two 290s.)

A 280, 280X, and even the 380 and 380X are not going to be that much better than a 7870. A used 290, on the other hand, will be twice as powerful:

7870:
1280 shaders
32 ROPs
80 TMUs
2GB RAM on 256-bit bus

290:
2560 shaders
64 ROPs
160 TMUs
4GB RAM on 512-bit bus

(Notice how everything is doubled?)

A 380 has 2048 shaders, in comparison. Only has 112 TMUs which is not a big increase over the 80 in your 7870.

If you are going to upgrade, make it worthwhile. Get a used 290, it will be around 25% better than a 380/X. If you're at 1080p it should play the latest games on Ultra quite well.
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I have a 380X. I just got it.

When overclocked, the performance levels are actually in the territory of a reference 290/390: see my post here with the benchmark scores.

It's actually quite a bit faster than a 7970, and I'd wager around 33% faster than a 7870. For example, my best Fire Strike score with a 270X (@1270mhz) was 6338. With my 380X it is 9465. This can all be seen on my HWBOT profile.

The 380 cannot be unlocked to a 380X, if this was possible I'm sure it would be fairly big news and there would be a thread about it already. 380 has 1792 shaders and is the same layout as a 7950/280. I believe they had yield problems with Tonga and thus, the dies were lasered off, physically disabling the defective shaders. I would imagine the 380 probably has the shaders destroyed. The 380X is the full version of the chip.

I would advise you to take anything Iwamotto says with a large grain of salt. He doesn't have the best reputation.

Personally, I would recommend you take your $240 and get a used R9 290 on Amazon or Ebay. They can often be gotten for less than $200. The only reason I got the 380X is as a placeholder card until I get dual Polaris or Pascal. I also wanted to bench it for the bot. I wanted something different. (And I just sold my two 290s.)

A 280, 280X, and even the 380 and 380X are not going to be that much better than a 7870. A used 290, on the other hand, will be twice as powerful:

7870:
1280 shaders
32 ROPs
80 TMUs
2GB RAM on 256-bit bus

290:
2560 shaders
64 ROPs
160 TMUs
4GB RAM on 512-bit bus

(Notice how everything is doubled?)

A 380 has 2048 shaders, in comparison. Only has 112 TMUs which is not a big increase over the 80 in your 7870.

If you are going to upgrade, make it worthwhile. Get a used 290, it will be around 25% better than a 380/X. If you're at 1080p it should play the latest games on Ultra quite well.
Can a 550w Corsair PSU support a R9 290 + i5 3570k @ 4.6GHZ?
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Yes. The lower end units aren't made for rigs like that, but can still handle it. VS/CX are the low end. The discontinued TX/HX series were good units, just slightly overpriced.
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post #29 of 37
I am in a similar situation as you. If you waited this long why not wait for pascal/polaris. The pascal card from the GTX960 price range should beat the R9 290.
And about the PSU,I also have a corsair 550W and I was running a power hungry GTX480 it should run fine anything available today except maybe dual-gpu cards or titan X
    
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Yes, I think the 550W PSU could do it. Third'ed (or something).

It might be an issue if you try and pull some high OCs/push max voltage through the 290. I would suggest leaving the 290 stock, or at least testing and see if the system can do it. If you trigger OCP on the PSU or something while overclocking, you'll know for sure. And I'm sure that a quality Corsair unit would probably have OCP.

I've seen a single 290 pull around 300W under a heavy load. (I've owned four 290s and I have a Kill-a-watt meter).

I kinda doubt that the i5 is going to draw more than 250w from the wall, even overclocked, and the rest of the stuff in your system draws a pretty insignificant amount of power.

Don't quote me on any of this and take what I say with a grain of salt; I'm not a PSU expert. PM shilka and ask if you're really concerned. smile.gif
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