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Its funny you mention the 970 ACX. I was going to get an evga 970 ssc acx 2.0, as it has some nice upgrades over the 1st version. But just before I hit "Pay" i noticed my cart cost more than it should. Turns out Newegg stopped the nice sale they had goin on them so I dropped back to getting the G1 Gaming. I like Gigabyte's coolers and this particular model seems to be good for overclocking. I'm never one for upgrading frequently. I tend to buy really budget GPU's and spend most on getting a good CPU/Mobo combo that will last for many years. That's how I'm still gaming with such an old rig lol

Well CPU's have basically stopped moving, I expect your old rig kept on chugging fairly well considering! The I5's going to feel nice though for sure. My last 2 GPU's were EVGA because there just happened to be a great deal at the time I bought both of them, although I havent had a chance to use step up yet its a nice thought anyway. Heard nothing but good about the latest Gigabyte coolers on all the Nvidia models so I think youve done well.
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yeah some of the biggest pushes for me to upgrade are the motherboard blew up a diode and the processor has a damaged memory controller or something. Can only use bank 1 and 2 for memory (3 and 4 cause instant crashes when loading windows) and the bios cant hold settings after you pull power due to a diode on the circuit between the battery and bios blowing up for some reason.

and it's a power hog, and after 7 years is showing degradation due to the overclock I used to have on it. for 6 years I ran it at 3.5ghz@1.52v

that, and finally intel has something out in the enthusiast range that doesn't cost my first born plus an arm and a leg. Between Deneb and AMD's current offerings the performance increase isn't as big as going from Deneb to skylake.
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When the motherboard starts falling apart its probably a good time to look at something new, although Zens out later this year that will be interesting, might be a hex or 8 core for similar pricing to I5's and I7's with similar IPC but we'll have to wait and see on that.

Shame AMD havent released anything on an enthusiast platform since 2012, at the time I first built this rig it was 3570k or 8150. So yea, not really a choice to be made at that point

I'm pretty sure I5 K series have had the same pricing since Ivy bridge though at least, still not the cheapest but CPU's are much less then they used to be relatively speaking.
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Interested in this. Looks like a nice build you're putting together.

I would get the water cooler over the air cooler any day, especially if it's a Corsair (5 year warranty, excellent customer service). Besides that, there are MANY reasons to go with an AIO cooler over an air cooler: aesthetics as well as practicality. Personally, I think they look nice. You don't have to take your motherboard out and take a cooler off to install RAM. There are no RAM clearance issues, and you can leave goofy heatspreader fins on (such as my TridentX) I had actually ruined a similar kit by trying to pry the heatspreader off so the RAM could fit under a huge air cooler (I had the OG Thermaltake Frio for a long time). You have no issues getting your side panel on. Some of these huge air coolers (possibly the Noctua everyone loves) might have PCI-E slot clearance issues on some motherboards, some of these air coolers are so ridiculous that they block your top PCI slot. Really, air coolers are like a cancerous tumor in your system to me now. Since I got my h100i I'd never go back to an air cooler.

I even had an issue when taking out my h100i and removing the fans to clean the radiator, the Corsair link female plug on the unit broke off of the PCB inside of the water block. A small thing, it just basically meant I couldn't control the RGB LED in the unit. Anyway I RMA'ed it and within a week and a half Corsair sent me a brand new h100i, new in box, still with the plastic seal on it. Just awesome.

It's unfortunate to hear about your issues with the Corsair SP120s, I have 3 of them and they all still work after about 3 years. I chose these because of the high static pressure. Mine spin down and turn off completely when the CPU is not under load. (I do this through the ASUS ROG suite fan control program and hook the fans to motherboard headers...) So they aren't constantly spinning. I also dust my system regularly. If it was that bad though, and you still have the broken fans and such I would suggest contacting Corsair and opening a ticket. You might get some new fans for (basically) free.

Anyway, going from a Phenom II quad to Skylake is going to be a night and day difference, especially in games. The Skylake probably has around 2.5x higher single thread. You're also going from 45nm to 14nm so far less power consumption. Here's a comparison of the two chips: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/80?vs=1544 At least in Cinebench it seems the Intel 6600k you're getting is roughly 3 times faster.

I also know this from experience, we still have two Phenom II builds in the house. Even my Haswell in my rig is more than twice as fast.

The 970, I would second the other people in saying DO NOT buy a new card. Get a used 290 instead. It will be faster than the 970. It will be cheaper than the 970. I'd suggest saving your GPU budget (and e.g. reselling the used 290) for later this year when 14nm cards come out.

Sorry if that was a lot to read. Regards. smile.gif
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Interested in this. Looks like a nice build you're putting together.

I would get the water cooler over the air cooler any day, especially if it's a Corsair (5 year warranty, excellent customer service). Besides that, there are MANY reasons to go with an AIO cooler over an air cooler: aesthetics as well as practicality. Personally, I think they look nice. You don't have to take your motherboard out and take a cooler off to install RAM. There are no RAM clearance issues, and you can leave goofy heatspreader fins on (such as my TridentX) I had actually ruined a similar kit by trying to pry the heatspreader off so the RAM could fit under a huge air cooler (I had the OG Thermaltake Frio for a long time). You have no issues getting your side panel on. Some of these huge air coolers (possibly the Noctua everyone loves) might have PCI-E slot clearance issues on some motherboards, some of these air coolers are so ridiculous that they block your top PCI slot. Really, air coolers are like a cancerous tumor in your system to me now. Since I got my h100i I'd never go back to an air cooler.

I even had an issue when taking out my h100i and removing the fans to clean the radiator, the Corsair link female plug on the unit broke off of the PCB inside of the water block. A small thing, it just basically meant I couldn't control the RGB LED in the unit. Anyway I RMA'ed it and within a week and a half Corsair sent me a brand new h100i, new in box, still with the plastic seal on it. Just awesome.

Well, I'm pretty sure it comes down to personal preference about what's most impotant to you. There's air coolers that dont block the RAM slots and perform just as well as the Noctua, at least on dual channel RAM set ups, and they do so while being quieter at similar performance then comparable CLC's. I believe the only cooler that actually blocks the first PCI-E slot on some X99 motherboards is in fact the NHD15, and probably the new Alpenfohn Olymp which is bigger then the D15 if you can believe it.

If you bench a lot with different RAM kits then I can understand it makes things a little easier, and if you want to be able to see your motherboard and LED bling I get it, if you cant fit a large tower in your case... Etc

What frustrates me is that many people still seem to believe that theres a significant performance difference between the biggest air coolers and CLC's. I dont believe there is. Everything else is personal choice and subjective to your situation.

But OP already went with the Silverstone Tundra, it will work just fine thumb.gif
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The new Noctua NH-D15S is made so it does NOT block the top PCI-E slot on X99 and ITX motherboards.
its been made asymmetrical but other then that its the same cooler, i bought one myself as the normal NH-D15 blocks off the top PCI-E slot.

I dont agree CLC coolers are overrated overhyped overpriced marketing hype and a fashion gimmick.
Many air coolers are just as good or better cost less make less noise and is way more reliable due to no pump and tubes that can break and leak.

6 dead CLC coolers later and i am never touching another garbage CLC cooler ever again.
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Pls detail: what models did die ? How long did they work ?
 
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Pls detail: what models did die ? How long did they work ?
It was from 2010 to 2013 (maybe 2014?) so i recall some of them, one was one of the very first CLC coolers out so it was Corsair H50 or H70? one was a H100 (not for my own system) and i think the last was H80?
The others where the NZXT 120 and 240mm which i cant recall the names of (X41 and X61?) the last one was a Cooler Master Seidon 120v.

None of them lasted more then 6 months to a year at the most, two of them died within weeks thanks to the pump cutting out.
One or two had whine problems on the pump and one of them leaked which i caught before anything happend.

None of them where very quiet due to the fans and pumps and the temps where not really impressive.

Cant recall all the deails as its been a while.
So either i have had the worst luck ever or CLC AIO coolers are just rubbish.

6 models from 3 brands over 3-4 years and the result was the same in the end took them out and replaced them with air coolers.
Should be noted that only 3 out of the 6 was my own coolers the other 3 where for family members.

Gave all of the dead coolers to a friend who also has one or two dead CLC AIO coolers, so he has a whole box with like 7-8 CLC coolers that are all broken.
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post #29 of 89
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Got my monitor in. I made the right choice. This thing is gorgeous.

as far as my GPU choice it came down to a single game, Fallout 4. It's been my primary game lately, and at 1440p the GTX 970 at stock clocks beats out the 290X. Mine can overclock to performance levels nearly on par with a stock GTX 980 in most games as well, so that was also a factor. The other factor was power consumption. The 290X uses a lot more juice compared to the GTX 970, and keeping that to a minimum will be beneficial I think.

Parts will be in later today! I'm gonna have some fun for sure. Gotta go to urgent care in a few hours and hopefully get a slip saying I can take the weekend off from work (jammed my toe, it's purple, i work 8hrs a day on my feet)

anyways, I went with an AIO for packaging reasons, and cost. A decent AIO cost less than an air cooler with similar/better performance, and with an AIO, i can just rip a hole in my case and bolt the radiator to it and not care, vs having to run with no side panel and freaking out every time I bump my case that the heatsink is gonna warp the board.
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I'm pretty sure that with new patch 1.3 290X beats 970. It greatly improved performance on my 290 at least.

Here is the test:
http--www.gamegpu.com-images-stories-Test_GPU-RPG-Fallout_4_Beta_Patch_1.3-test-fall4_2560_s.jpg
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