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I was in the same boat a few months back and decided to upgrade from my old i7-950 to a i5-6600k. It started as a mobo/chip upgrade and quickly turned into a completely separate build, so much so that now I have the 2 separate systems opposite one another in my office. I find that while the i5 is a beast running at 4k w/ 2 980ti's in SLI, the i7 with an R9 290 is more than capable at 1080p. I'm only running a mild o/c on the chip (155 bclk) and stock settings on the GPU. I am honestly happy gaming on both.

If you're running 1080p and don't have to max everything out on your games then I agree with the suggestion to upgrade the GPU and see where you stand after that.
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IMO this is an erroneous statement IMO. Adding in a SSD is what I consider a QoL upgrade in that anyone and everyone who doesn't have a SSD can use one, even a crappier one. A SSD brings substantial read and write improvements over any HDD and reduced loading times are universally beneficial. Secondly, this is a gaming computer. With an i7 930, 18GB of DDR3 ram, and a GTX 660, the weak link is obviously the GPU. Upgrading an old GPU is the easiest way to improve gaming performance.
Indeed. A SSD makes a huge difference, even a 128GB one. The drawback of 128GB instead of 256GB is the need to only have what you are using on the SSD. Obviously OS and software will easily fit, but file access is much faster on SSD than HDD too.
If you don't need fast access t a lot of files / file space, a small SSD will do just fine.
And on an X58 system, almost all SSDs will be limited by the motherboard Sata transfer speed, not the read/write speed of SSD.
Shop around and see what the price difference are. You can probably find a medium speed older model 250-256GB for not much more than a 128GB, especially the newer high speed ones.

A good air cooler on CPU and a quick 3.6-4.0GHz overclock will purk up your X58 nicely.

While the GTX 660 is well down the list now, it's still not a bad GPU. One of my systems has GTX 580 in it and at 1080p it still does fine on everything I do.
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well I am serious. I'm not a hardcore gamer as I used to be, in fact I don't even have a desk nowdays, my pc sits under my TV, connected to it, and I play everything on it with an xbox 360 gamepad. I just happen to like high detailed graphics, and I'd like to keep running them on high settings with a good frame rate in the future.

maybe I could say screw it, I'll buy 2 gtx 980ti (wich I couldn't, because the cheapest I found was $630 with shipping) in fact from a different perspective it sounds like a good idea. but who knows, maybe tomorrow my old i7 or my ram or who knows what will become a bottleneck (in fact as of now, cooling and the lack of a ssd are big issues) so idk, it's a matter of balance, 2 980ti would be overkill for me, and I have these other computer issues to resolve.

and it's not like my mother gave me $1000 to spend in gaming, it's my money, that's my budget, and upgrading my pc is a priority, but the less I spend, the more I'll have left to do buy other stuff rolleyes.gif
Just get a SSD and a decent card like a R9 290/390X or GTX 970/980. That will probably be 350-450 bucks.

I still think the best you can do is SSD + R9 290 wich should be something like what 250? 300 bucks maybe.

Your current CPU is still good,and if you don't play too much,those cards will pretty much allow to play almost all games on high-very high.

Keep that money for the next intel CPU or something like that.
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Just get a SSD and a decent card like a R9 290/390X or GTX 970/980. That will probably be 350-450 bucks.

I still think the best you can do is SSD + R9 290 wich should be something like what 250? 300 bucks maybe.

Your current CPU is still good,and if you don't play too much,those cards will pretty much allow to play almost all games on high-very high.

Keep that money for the next intel CPU or something like that.

Agree 100%
post #36 of 65
My $0.02

If all you're willing to spend is $1000, you'd be better off upgrading the current system than going for an all new system. Is that 1333 or 1600 or ???? speed ram, you sure do have LOTS of it?

1) Definitely get a beefier gpu: 970 for 1080p gaming, 980(ti) for more.

2) Definitely get a faster drive. An ssd would be great even if limited by sata2 bandwitdh. The greens are sloooow, at least get a black spinning drive if not an ssd.

3) Overclock the cpu, get it up around 3.8 to 4.0. If you don't have a good cooler, you'll want one for that.

If at some point you want a new mobo/cpu, you can reuse ^^^ for that system.

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yeah, I'll be just adding a SSD to boot os faster and some programs.

I just built a rig the way I imagined online, just to see how much it would cost, but it went $1300+ and that's not viable atm. config was i7-4790k, gtx 980, evga 650 psu, gigabyte mobo, 240gb sandisk ssd,
32gb g.skill ddr3 2400, corsair carbide r100 case and h75 cooling. I could use my current psu as it's 750w, but if I'm building a computer from scratch, might aswell get a new modular psu. only thing I would scavenge from my old rig is one 1tb hdd, so I still could sell the old pc as a whole. but again, $1300 is too much for me.

so I'm inclined to do what most are suggesting, wait to get a new cpu and go just for the gpu now. but if that's the case, I want to overclock my cpu, and things are getting too hot. I'm actually opening a new thread for that subject.

some people suggested the 290 or 380x, but I think I'm going for the gtx 970 or 980. I'm not against radeons, but I have a thing for nvidia, and I think those models are faster than any current radeons aswell.

So, should I go for the most expensive I can get, or a 970 is good enough and the price difference of a 980 isn't worth it?

right now I'm thinking of buying a gtx980, 240gb ssd, and maybe a new case and water cooler to overclock my cpu.
bingo!
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well, I do 3d architectural visualization for a living, used to do it on this pc, but since I got this new job I don't do this at home anymore.

these days I use it mostly to play single player games and watch stuff on netflix, but as I am a 3d geek, I intend to be able to play a new game on max settings at 30-60fps 1080p for a while if I can. 1080p because I play on my tv, and I don't intend to buy a 2k or 4k screen anytime soon.

although, I want to keep this pc running smooth, you never know when you'll come across a good paying freelance job, or maybe I could use it as an additional render node with my computers at work, or who knows what.

so it's a very tricky question for me. short answer, I only play games and watch netflix, but in the long run I might need to do some renderings or even plug in my audio interface and record something.

for those asking my case, it's a generic gamer case I found back then, didn't care much about it at that time, didn't know much as well. it's this model:


so I guess I can sum up what I want:
-reduce the heat it generates, as it makes my room hot as hell (and I have to keep ac on whenever computer is on),
-to be able to oc my cpu, either if I keep my i7 930 or if I get a xeon x5670, probably the second, as I want to prolong this rig's life, and I think the 930 is aging fast (long way to go with cooling if I want to do so)
-buy an ssd (although windows 10 boot time is really optimized, and takes like 20 seconds to boot even with 2 almost full 1tb hdds, photoshop and 3ds max still take forever to open [even though I don't use them that much these days])
-improve my gaming quality, currently playing rise of the tomb raider on medium/high around 20fps with some lag spikes on denser, really unsatisfied with this one (this was the reason I started this thread, until I realized I have some other computer needs)

so, I'm currently at:
-gtx 980
-xeon x5670
-240gb ssd
-new case?
-water cooling? cpu only or gpu as well?
Edited by fael097 - 2/12/16 at 8:04am
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well, I do 3d architectural visualization for a living, used to do it on this pc, but since I got this new job I don't do this at home anymore.

these days I use it mostly to play single player games and watch stuff on netflix, but as I am a 3d geek, I intend to be able to play a new game on max settings at 30-60fps 1080p for a while if I can. 1080p because I play on my tv, and I don't intend to buy a 2k or 4k screen anytime soon.

although, I want to keep this pc running smooth, you never know when you'll come across a good paying freelance job, or maybe I could use it as an additional render node with my computers at work, or who knows what.

so it's a very tricky question for me. short answer, I only play games and watch netflix, but in the long run I might need to do some renderings or even plug in my audio interface and record something.

for those asking my case, it's a generic gamer case I found back then, didn't care much about it at that time, didn't know much as well. it's this model:
http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2705643/width/350/height/700

so I guess I can sum up what I want:
-reduce the heat it generates, as it makes my room hot as hell (and I have to keep ac on whenever computer is on),
-to be able to oc my cpu, either if I keep my i7 930 or if I get a xeon x5670, probably the second, as I want to prolong this rig's life, and I think the 930 is aging fast (long way to go with cooling if I want to do so)
-buy an ssd (although windows 10 boot time is really optimized, and takes like 20 seconds to boot even with 2 almost full 1tb hdds, photoshop and 3ds max still take forever to open [even though I don't use them that much these days])
-improve my gaming quality, currently playing rise of the tomb raider on medium/high around 20fps with some lag spikes on denser, really unsatisfied with this one (this was the reason I started this thread, until I realized I have some other computer needs)

so, I'm currently at:
-gtx 980
-xeon x5670
-240gb ssd
-new case?
-water cooling? cpu only or gpu as well?
if you are getting a GTX 980 for 500usd, a r9 fury/nano is a much better choice for the same price, or even a r9 390x can match a GTX 980 for 100usd less

88usd cpu
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5670-SLBV7-2-93GHZ-12MB-6-4GT-s-LGA-1366-Six-Core-CPU-/391384098246?hash=item5b204f65c6:g:MFQAAOSwuAVWvhad

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CPU Cooler: Corsair H110i GTX 104.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX200 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 390X 8GB Tri-X OC Video Card ($374.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $728.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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it coudl be slihgly cheaper
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Edited by PontiacGTX - 2/12/16 at 9:44am
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well, I do 3d architectural visualization for a living, used to do it on this pc, but since I got this new job I don't do this at home anymore.

these days I use it mostly to play single player games and watch stuff on netflix, but as I am a 3d geek, I intend to be able to play a new game on max settings at 30-60fps 1080p for a while if I can. 1080p because I play on my tv, and I don't intend to buy a 2k or 4k screen anytime soon.

although, I want to keep this pc running smooth, you never know when you'll come across a good paying freelance job, or maybe I could use it as an additional render node with my computers at work, or who knows what.

so it's a very tricky question for me. short answer, I only play games and watch netflix, but in the long run I might need to do some renderings or even plug in my audio interface and record something.

for those asking my case, it's a generic gamer case I found back then, didn't care much about it at that time, didn't know much as well. it's this model:


so I guess I can sum up what I want:
-reduce the heat it generates, as it makes my room hot as hell (and I have to keep ac on whenever computer is on),
-to be able to oc my cpu, either if I keep my i7 930 or if I get a xeon x5670, probably the second, as I want to prolong this rig's life, and I think the 930 is aging fast (long way to go with cooling if I want to do so)
-buy an ssd (although windows 10 boot time is really optimized, and takes like 20 seconds to boot even with 2 almost full 1tb hdds, photoshop and 3ds max still take forever to open [even though I don't use them that much these days])
-improve my gaming quality, currently playing rise of the tomb raider on medium/high around 20fps with some lag spikes on denser, really unsatisfied with this one (this was the reason I started this thread, until I realized I have some other computer needs)

so, I'm currently at:
-gtx 980
-xeon x5670
-240gb ssd
-new case?
-water cooling? cpu only or gpu as well?

Ok, here we go :
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reduce the heat it generates, as it makes my room hot as hell (and I have to keep ac on whenever computer is on),
Change cpu cooler with any of the link i gave before, open the window or something too
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to be able to oc my cpu, either if I keep my i7 930 or if I get a xeon x5670, probably the second, as I want to prolong this rig's life, and I think the 930 is aging fast (long way to go with cooling if I want to do so)
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-buy an ssd (although windows 10 boot time is really optimized, and takes like 20 seconds to boot even with 2 almost full 1tb hdds, photoshop and 3ds max still take forever to open [even though I don't use them that much these days])
NO. find a way to cache them(make them auto start and close on windows start or smth) so you can hot boot them fast.
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improve my gaming quality, currently playing rise of the tomb raider on medium/high around 20fps with some lag spikes on denser, really unsatisfied with this one (this was the reason I started this thread, until I realized I have some other computer needs)
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post #40 of 65
Heating up your room is too bad, but not much we can do about it unless you drop your performance demands. High performance is high wattage and wats are heat.

I'm no gamer so video cards I can't help.
Agree wiht Pontiack on SSD, but any half decent SSD will do the job just fine. It should make a night and day difference in software load time. wink.gif
R09 390 is 275w TDP. Big heat maker when working hard! At idle it uses about 70w, so not too bad.
x5670 is 95w TDP compared to 930 130w TDP .. meaning it runns cooler.
A new case and cooling is pretty much a given, but I would look at Phanteks Enthoo Luxe or similar.
I would not recommend going CLC. You can get as good or better cooling at much lower noise levels and much cheaper costs with air. Here is a current thread about why not to go CLC. http://www.overclock.net/t/1590547/why-you-should-probably-not-buy-a-clc-cooler/0_20

It make no sense to me to spend almsot twice as much for a CLC on CPU making 150-200w of heat when overclocked when when a $50.00 air cooler will do the job just as well with less noise and way more reliability
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