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I'm going to start a new thread for the MSI GT72 Dominator Gaming Laptop I have now since I think it deserves it's own thread and not keep adding the info to the G752 bunk bios thread LOL. This will take some time for me to put together, but it will be soon. There's lots of great things about this laptop and I would like to share them with you all and have the info all in one place.

I have had my MSI GT72 Dominator-019 6QD for a month and a half now, since 12-31-15. I have not found 1 thing I dislike about this laptop. MSI has done it right this time around. Way more than the other companies just trying to skate by with the name they created years ago, but now making crap units. MSI is going the opposite direction and making things absolutely amazing. They are using the help of companies like Steelseries, and Dynaudio to help aid them in building a very high quality gaming laptop. There's a lot to talk about and a lot I'd like to share so you guys have an idea of what you get with a MSI laptop now. Oh, and support is very good and helpful in the states that is. Not sure about out of the states because I have nothing to go off of, nor have I had any experience with dealing with something like Tech Support being in a different country.

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SSD and Hard Drive Speeds

The MSI GT72 that I bought came only with a 1tb mechanical drive stock. I pulled that out right away and put a Samsung 1tb 850 Evo in and installed a fresh OS on it. Then using the Samsung Magician software I optimized the OS and then enabled RAPID mode. RAPID mode uses 4gigs of your system ram as a cache setup for the SSD and makes it a lot faster, up to 14 times faster from what I've seen. The system runs great on the 850 Evo and also uses less power and creates less heat since the drive doesn't need to spin all day long. The 850 Evo is rated at 540mb/s Read and 520mb/s Write. With RAPID mode enabled, I've seen over 7200mb/s Read and 6600mb/s Writes and it's very fast like that. You can see here in the benchmark.



Then one of the nice features of this new Skylake platform in the GT72 is the fact that it has support for m.2 SSD drives. You can choose to install either a Sata3 based m.2 ssd, or you can go all out and put a PCI-e x4 NVMe ssd in and get way faster speeds than Sata3 will allow (600mb/s max) .. Right now as of writing this the Samsung 950 Pro is the best NVMe ssd you can buy. Going from 128gb to 512gb also has an impact on read and write speeds. The bigger the drive, the faster the speeds get. I bought a 256gb 950 Pro a couple months ago and was playing with that in the G752 Asus I had but there was some major issues with Asus's bios and supporting this type of drive. After getting the MSI GT72 I ended up buying another 950 Pro but this time went for the biggest one I could get for maximum speed.

The 512gb 950 Pro is rated for 1500mb/s Write and 2500mb/s Read. I installed this drive and then installed Windows 10 on it and started testing things out. These drives are amazing once installed and drivers are properly installed also. The boot times are very fast and I already can't wait to see what comes out in the near future with NVMe drives. Just going up to a 1tb one should get the speeds over 3000mb/s on Read and over 2000mb/s on Writes, but that's if they keep things the same with the 950 Pro. The next line (1050 Pro maybe?) could be way faster yet. Time will tell. The nice thing is that we are far from the max bandwidth that the PCI-e x4 can actually handle. I will have to do a little digging to find out what the very maximum speed that 1 NVMe drive could do from 1 slot. Here's a benchmark of the 950 Pro installed as my main drive now.




Very nice results indeed biggrin.gif
MSI also supports putting 2 of these drives into a Raid 0 setup and then you are talking some crazy high numbers. I would like to test that out in the future. Also would like to see the next line that Samsung brings to the table. I've heard that there will be m.2 drives coming this year that will have up to 3.5 Terabytes of storage space from a single drive, and that's just crazy there. Should be having 10 Terabyte drives in the 2.5" form factor from what Samsung has said too.
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OVERCLOCKING - 6820HK

This is where some of the fun will be with this model GT72 I have that came with the 6820HK overclock-able cpu biggrin.gif

A 4.2ghz Core 4.2ghz Cache @ 1.200v overclock for a Cinebench R15 multi-thread cpu test.


GeekBench with 6820K @ 4.2ghz Core 4.2ghz Cache 1.200v


RealBench only at 4ghz core 4ghz cache stock volts


Here's a short video I made to show idle temps and load temps for the 6820K @ 4ghz Core / 4ghz Cache


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Temp Testing at Auto Fan Profile and 100% Fan Profile

Auto Fan Profile

Idle temps before quick stress test with XTU with Auto Fan Profile


Load temps during stress test with Auto Fan Profile


After stress test 2min back to idle temps Auto Fan Profile


100% Fan Profile

Idle temps with 100% Fan Profile


Load temps during stress test 100% Fan Profile


After stress 1min back to idle temps 100% Fan Profile


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Nvidia - GTX970M - GPU

i will share benchmarks and overclocking tips for this section.

Firestrike Run:


Ice Storm Run:


Unigine Heaven 4.0 Run:

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As the GT72's ability to use Nvidia's DSR is shared with few other laptops, you should add some 1440p benchmarks.


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As the GT72's ability to use Nvidia's DSR is shared with few other laptops, you should add some 1440p benchmarks.


I can do that. I ran the same test settings as you showed there with 2560x1440p, Ultra, Extreme, 2xAA. I only am running a stock Vbios and not pushing the limits to the max, yet lol. Here's my results tho for that test so you can see. Man I wish I had the 980m tho that's for sure, but the good thing is this is a MXM gpu and I can upgrade down the road. I think I'll wait to see if Pascal makes a sick MXM gpu for my GT72 and upgrade to that, or when those come out and someone pulls the 8gig 980m out or a 980 out and sells for a good deal I'll upgrade then.

Here's the results tho with a mild overclock on the gpu.
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I can do that. I ran the same test settings as you showed there with 2560x1440p, Ultra, Extreme, 2xAA. I only am running a stock Vbios and not pushing the limits to the max, yet lol. Here's my results tho for that test so you can see. Man I wish I had the 980m tho that's for sure, but the good thing is this is a MXM gpu and I can upgrade down the road. I think I'll wait to see if Pascal makes a sick MXM gpu for my GT72 and upgrade to that, or when those come out and someone pulls the 8gig 980m out or a 980 out and sells for a good deal I'll upgrade then.

Here's the results tho with a mild overclock on the gpu.

I'm still running my stock vbios too as I don't really want to alter the machine while it's still under warranty. I added the gpuz for the OC I was using there in my post above. I just picked the settings you used on your first test. My OC's presets are 0/+92, +56/+92, +87/+92, +104/+92, +113/+92 ...with the one in bold being the ones I regularly use to game on and the last two are mostly just for benching. Without a modded vbios you'll notice I'm restricted on my memory clock to under a +100mhz boost.

I bet you'd see "playable" framerates for the Heaven bench if you lowered tessellation to normal and replaced 2x AA with FXAA through Nvidia's control panel. For DSR I use just 20% smoothness to keep the textures crisp.

I also like to use MFAA in Nvidia's control panel.

JC3 max + MFAA @ 1440p on OC +56/+92:




I don't plan on upgrading my 980m unless it dies. It seems like it will be able to handle all the console ports the PS4 and XB1 can throw at it ...so long as they don't require Windows 10 because I'm not dealing with that demon spawn.
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I'm still running my stock vbios too as I don't really want to alter the machine while it's still under warranty. I added the gpuz for the OC I was using there in my post above. I just picked the settings you used on your first test. My OC's presets are 0/+92, +56/+92, +87/+92, +104/+92, +113/+92 ...with the one in bold being the ones I regularly use to game on and the last two are mostly just for benching. Without a modded vbios you'll notice I'm restricted on my memory clock to under a +100mhz boost.

I bet you'd see "playable" framerates for the Heaven bench if you lowered tessellation to normal and replaced 2x AA with FXAA through Nvidia's control panel. For DSR I use just 20% smoothness to keep the textures crisp.

I also like to use MFAA in Nvidia's control panel.

JC3 max + MFAA @ 1440p on OC +56/+92:




I don't plan on upgrading my 980m unless it dies. It seems like it will be able to handle all the console ports the PS4 and XB1 can throw at it ...so long as they don't require Windows 10 because I'm not dealing with that demon spawn.

Yeah, the 980m is a beast for a laptop man!! I wish I was able to get it in the laptop I bought, but it was way out of the price range I was in at the time. I do have the MXM tho and that's totally fine by me for down the road. I can't wait for the next line of GPU's to hit the market. Shouldn't be long really either. Usually Nvidia make the mobile versions of GPU's before the desktop versions right? We could be seeing a Pascal Mobile gpu coming out in the next few months possibly?? I probably won't buy one right away, but never know. I know someone that will buy my 970m from me for $400 if I pull it out and install it in his MSI laptop he has. So that's half the price of getting a better GPU. I would like to get the top end Pascal tho and not the 70 version, 80 for sure or 80ti lol. Who knows tho with what they are talking about with these new gpu's being so much faster too. They always claim that and then when they come out it's the same old thing, 15-25% faster than last years top end card and the 70 version is usually matching the last years top end HAHA. Been that way for the past 8-10 years I've been buying and building custom gaming machines. I don't believe in the hype til it's out and true. Prove it Nvidia thumb.gif
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Was wondering if I could ask you a question about the laptop. I know the GT series is MSI's desktop replacement and part of it's design requires it to be thick. How much does the thickness affect your usage? I'll be purchasing a laptop March 4th for school / gaming / multimedia, etc. XoticPc has the GS70 Stealth Pro for $1699 and it is roughly an inch thinner than the GT series. I'm nervous buying a laptop so thick and finding out I don't like it.
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Was wondering if I could ask you a question about the laptop. I know the GT series is MSI's desktop replacement and part of it's design requires it to be thick. How much does the thickness affect your usage? I'll be purchasing a laptop March 4th for school / gaming / multimedia, etc. XoticPc has the GS70 Stealth Pro for $1699 and it is roughly an inch thinner than the GT series. I'm nervous buying a laptop so thick and finding out I don't like it.

No prob buddy. The thickness doesn't bother me at all. I knew what I was getting when I bought it. It doesn't bother my wrists or hands while gaming for hours either. I don't mind it being thicker at all either because of what that lets me get in it as far as MXM style GPU's that can be replaced, enough room to fit 6 hard drives in it just as it comes, and WAY BETTER cooling capabilities as well. Oh, and a DvD burner lol, even tho I don't use one really at all. Just nice to have for when I do need to burn a disc or something for me or someone else.

I love the GT72 for many reasons, but one reason for sure is the audio system in it. Since it is a thicker laptop it has more room for the speakers and sub. The subwoofer in this thing is actually inside of it's own little enclosure that's sealed I do believe. I didn't see any ports on the enclosure when I had it open and was looking. You can see the sub and enclosure in this picture below I took.


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