Originally Posted by TheReciever
considering most of the laptops coming out with NVMe are still having issues with early BIOS'es I really wouldnt call it a straight loss considering Sata3 is fast enough for consumer work loads, though if its a feature your dying to have then thats up to you. Personally I owuldnt mind not having it, but it would be a perk for future upgradability later on.
There are 970m's with 6GB vram, but finding one at that price would be a little difficult.
At 1100 your in 965m territory unless there is a sale and even then its few and far between.G751JT-WH71 970m 3GB for 1200Gigabyte P37Wv4-BW1 w/ 970m 6GB for 1300
The only laptop with bios issues with NVMe drives is the Asus G752's. There isn't any other laptop that I've seen having issues with those drives. MSI's laptops you can put those in Raid 0 which is far above most others. If people are trying to spend $1100 on a new laptop TODAY or soon, why would you tell them not to get the latest stuff or technology?!? I've seen this from you quite a few times to not say something this time. I understand you are using a older laptop and you aren't buying a new one. That doesn't mean you should dislike all the new Tech that out or coming out and always say what you have is fine for everyone else that's spending THEIR MONEY now. I would never tell someone to not buy something just cuz it's better than what I had because I'm using 4 year old hardware. Don't keep others at the same level of tech as you just cuz you aren't spending money buddy. That's not fair to anyone here. This is OVERCLOCK.net. WE SPEND MONEY. Yes on stuff that is ridiculous sometimes but it's our money to spend. Nobody is saying anything about your laptop or needing to stay at the same performance as yours. Let them buy things that are badass or fast or new. Let them be happy with it. NVME SSD's are SICK FAST and SHOULD be bought in every new laptop from now on. Especially when someone is spending at least $1000+ . You would be a fool to not get NVME technology in a laptop if you spent that much today or in the near future. I can't agree with all that you say anymore because you are giving wrong info for some people based on what you have and I've now seen it too many times. Sorry bud, but can't
OP, you should definitely be getting a laptop that has NVMe technology hands down. It's the next step in performance that makes a huge leap over what has been used, sata3. It's very early for the NVMe tech, but just now getting a Samsung 950 Pro 512gig ssd gets you 2500mb/s reads and 1500mb/s writes. That read speed is 5 times faster than the fastest sata3 ssds. That does show up huge in how your pc works. Every program that's installed uses Read speeds to read the info that's installed on your drive. If you use programs that use lots of data, that will make a huge difference. Something that could take 50 seconds now will take 10 seconds. Or from 10 seconds to 2 seconds. Install times are WAY faster. Game loads way faster. Everything is WAY FASTER LOL. It's worth it for sure. That's one of the main reasons it's hard for me to recommend anyone to buy a older laptop even if it's new off the shelf that has the 4th gen Core i series cpus that don't have NVMe tech. It's still new like I said, and there's only been a few drives made so far but they are great. In a year from now, or even only a couple months away Samsung could be dropping a new 1050 Pro or whatever they call it and it could be twice as fast as the 2500mb/s Read speeds now. Just if they went to making a 1 Terabyte 950 Pro the Read speeds could be over 3000mb/s easy and write speeds could be in the 2000's or higher. The next line they drop as in 1050 or whatnot could end up being 5000mb/s read and 4000mb/s writes. Put 2 of those in a MSI GT72 in Raid 0 and be getting 10,000mb/s Reads
LOL that would be 20 times faster than the fastest sata3 ssd that's out now. Or 20 times faster than anything you've ever used if you haven't experienced NVMe in person yet.
Your spending too much to not get NVMe tech. $1100 should be getting that for sure
Oh, and I ran a test for you just to see what would happen. In the game "Rise of the Tomb Raider" I mentioned that I'm playing right now, I'm running the game maxed out, except for a couple options I turn off that blur things. I don't like anything being blurred, just personal preference. The game is using 6-6.5gigs of Vram @ 1080p. I turned DSR on to the options of using 2x and 4x.. 2x gives me a res of around 2700x1530 ish and 4x is 4k (3840x2160).. Going from 1080p to 2x DSR with the same settings, it went from 6gigs of Vram to 7gigs just from the higher res, and then going to 4x DSR went up to 8gigs of Vram. You can see how much Vram is getting used up in the higher resolutions and that should give you an idea to how much Vram you want to get in your new GPU in a laptop if playing on that 30" is major to you, or at least playing on it at it's native res. If you want to play at 1080p on that 30" then that's a different story. I always like to play the native res to every monitor or screen (tv) I use. It always looks better that way.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the MSI Gt72 has a MXM gpu that can be pulled out and replaced down the road. Next year you could find a 6gig 970m or 8gig 980m for pretty cheap then. The gpu you pull out will still be sell-able to those that have a older gpu or way less of a gpu. Right now it looks that I could sell the 970m I have for $400 easy as it costs about $500 new. Then I could upgrade to a 980m or 980 if I wanted and only spend a couple hundred more.It's just nice having that option to upgrade the gpu later down the road. That's what kills all laptops that are for gaming. Not being able to upgrade means whole new laptop and that's very costly. I'm sure there's others that have MXM gpu's but you'd have to look that up. I know some MSI's have them tho. Just don't think the very thin ones are MXM. The Apache GS70 or something like that should be MXM too and those are around $1000-1200 and pretty close to the GT72
Just for kicks I did a search on Xotic PC since you can customize laptops anyway you want from them pretty much. But I looked at the cheapest Barebones setup which is the MSI GT72 Dominator and I only chose the GTX970M with 6 gigs of Vram and the base price with that 6gig gpu is starting at $1199. That is a HELL OF A GOOD DEAL for getting the 6 gig 970m just to let you know. You can do whatever you want with it from there. That setup shows it has a 4710HQ cpu tho which is a 4th gen and wouldn't have NVMe tech in that one, but I'm sure you could click around til you got just what you wanted from it. You should check them out tho while looking for your new laptop.
LOL, then just going back to the site and looking at more options to see if the price could get lower, I see the sale on the side that's 3% off for cash purchase, or I'm sure with CC or Debit card just buying the thing out right. That's now even cheaper. That's only $63 over your budget now, but getting a 6 gig 970m, I think you can stretch that budget just a little can't you? LOL
Here's a different model MSI GP72 Leopard that has a Core i7 6700HQ Skylake (which should have NVMe tech) and this one I chose the 960m with 4 gigs of Vram and this came out to $1099 which is in your budget. Just trying to help you find some options or see what you are able to get into with that price range. Don't know if I would recommend this over getting the GT72 with the 6 gig 970 which should be way more of a beast really.
http://www.xoticpc.com/msi-gp72-leopard-pro-280.htmlEdited by Hambone07si - 2/10/16 at 9:21pm