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I'm pretty sure the XBox One's Kinect is not "always on". M$ got a lot of heat for that, and I do believe they changed that before the first production models left the factory.
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No smart devices in my home other than the obvious phone, computer and tablet.

 

Which by themselves already collect more data than the gov't could possibly want.

   
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Well what can we do when it comes to privacy vs safety? Don't get me wrong I like my privacy and have black tape covering every phone / tablet / computer camera, but I'm also not naive enough to believe we get to hear about all the attacks that mass surveillance stops. Look at Obama, surely he's the type of liberal who would want to end all this privacy invasion, right? I'm sure that he is, but one of the first things that happens when elected, is you get taken to a room where you're briefed on all the evil people in the world (that civilians don't get to know about) and what their plans on. The idealism (another word of this is delusional) stops pretty quickly.
Don't stop. Keep theorizing about what happens when we rationalize relinquishing our constitutional, inalienable rights for "security" from the unknown.

When you grant the government the legal authority to conduct this type of surveillance without a warrant, shouldn't you need to be concerned about much smarter and more malevolent people setting an eye on utilizing the oligarchy as a means of conducting their misdeeds? Or do we believe that history's most oppressive forms of government nd their tactics are obsolete now?

Now that we accept safety provided by the government over our previous idea which was safety from the government.. Isn't it only a matter of time before our government fills up with the malevolent and corrupt?

I guess we are and always will be too smart to let that happen to us. 'Merica.
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Why does convenience have to equate to not secure so often!?
Like my Dad always says "If it was easy, everyone would do it..."
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This whole "smart" fad is insane. I can't believe people buy all this junk. Wake me up when it's over.
    
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This whole "smart" fad is insane. I can't believe people buy all this junk. Wake me up when it's over.
If you had a smart alarm clock, you wouldn't need us to wake you up!
    
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The amount of Sales profited from while companies sell your habit data received from all home "connected" devices and conversations etc would stand to "continue" to be profited from greatly.

 

Years ago it was just your name and address sold

Then Telephone number...

Credit ratings...

Email address...

Shopping habits...

Bank "ratings" - Banks are known to sell your $ "Ranges" in the bank to other companies. IE > $$,$$$ in checking/Savings etc =  Incoming sales pitch from out of nowhere...

 

 I can also envision foreign governments / global hacking entities getting unfettered access just as well.

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i guess they know what temperature i keep my home at.
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If you dig deep enough you will see that every government out there monitors us to some extent. I am sick and tired of it, privacy has been dead for a long time now and it will only become worse.
As long as the "average Joe" doesn't care or know, we will be stuck in this mess forever. I am sad to say that most people in any country has no clue on what is going on with politics, economics or what the government/companies does. Heck even in their own hometowns most don't know anything about whats going on. Then when you try to inform them, most of them will call you crazy. There is no hope for the majority of people, I am sad and sickened by how clueless most people are with everything.. Just want to slap some sense in to them!

It's a sad time to live in, and I see no end to it... We can't do much more than protect ourself and family/friends in any way possible, and inform people that are willing to listen. The government doesn't care for you or what you need/want, only for their own interests.
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If you dig deep enough you will see that every government out there monitors us to some extent. I am sick and tired of it, privacy has been dead for a long time now and it will only become worse.
As long as the "average Joe" doesn't care or know, we will be stuck in this mess forever. I am sad to say that most people in any country has no clue on what is going on with politics, economics or what the government/companies does. Heck even in their own hometowns most don't know anything about whats going on. Then when you try to inform them, most of them will call you crazy. There is no hope for the majority of people, I am sad and sickened by how clueless most people are with everything.. Just want to slap some sense in to them!

It's a sad time to live in, and I see no end to it... We can't do much more than protect ourself and family/friends in any way possible, and inform people that are willing to listen. The government doesn't care for you or what you need/want, only for their own interests.

Then don't. Leave people to their ignorance, its not your job to inform the world, perhaps some people are happy about this ? ( maybe someone lol )

If you have people who are smart and will listen understand then more power to you and them. There will be a great technological equality divide soon, ( if there isn't one already ) where those who care enough to manage what products they consume and are selective in their reasoning ( i.e no mindless paranoia ) who hold a genuine understanding of the possibility of exploitation through ownership / configuration choices. They will be able to sleep just as easily as the ignorant but with the added knowledge they at least kept most of their life to themselves and not some suit in a city offices marketing department.

Technology is a double edged sword, it brings conveniences over quality in so many areas. However, there might actually be a win for IOT devices for those who fear the Internet & communication becoming more locked down and democracy being reduced through media censorship. If you take these ever more powerful small form factor devices in their billions in unsuspecting consumers homes it will be possible to create another encrypted P2P Internet (in theory). At the moment the rules are set punish those acting as an exit node even if they were not actually looking at the information as a way to reduce the use of such systems ( not sure if such people actually care ) but with a billion new IOT routers peer to peering on a smart net there is no way anyone will even be able to tell between the stream of real data and non real data ( unless encryption is entirely banned ) and punishing some affluent white middle aged couple who have no idea of technology because their fridge was acting as an exit node would be interesting to see in court redface.gif

Double edged sword. it could actually benefit people who know about computers and networking .. which ironically is also going to be the biggest commercial growth industry .. lots of people.
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