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Unfortunately AMD has yet to deliver on all their amazing promises at trade shows. When the product or feature finally comes out, it tends to be a "meh", only compensated by lower prices (Freesync, CPUs, GPUs, Mantle)
Mantle was not 'meh' in the least, but if you still feel that way, you can email Khronos and let them know they're wasting their time with Vulkan. thumb.gif
Freesync is also not a 'meh' product; on the contrary, it is a very exciting technology and has been well received by consumer and manufacturers alike. Their GPUs are in a great place and Polaris is going to be strong as well.
The CPU division is betting the field on Zen, but even their offerings now have a place.

Nevertheless, none of that matters to some.
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The double standards are out again and it is hilarious.
Mantle created apparently both DX12 AND vulcan but no mention of Gsync to introduce variable refresh rate to standard desktops.
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Are you sure I'm the one spreading Fud? You're fanboyism doesn't let you see clearly... Again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzHxhjcE0eQ

The only thing that Nvidia Gsync does better is Vsync, so I beg your pardon? Don't get mad at me for using facts when forming my opinion, unlike you who only take Nvidia's PR statements.

For anyone that's Lazy just go to minute 11:40, please keep considering Nvidia's statements like if they were coming from the Bible, is very amusing.

Also FreeSync is FREE, I can get a FreeSync perfectly Working 1440p 144Hz 1ms Acer XG270HU for 300$ (Last Amazon Sale), how much do the Gsync equivalent cost? even when using the same Panel it never gets below 500$, its FREE where it matters.

Also you talk about AMD FreeSync having issues at launch like if Gsync came flawlessly to the market, the FUD is strong, as strong as the fanboyism.

Oh, and don't mind the fact that thanks to FreeSync Monitors like the BenQ XL2730Z we do have complete 144Hz Strobing thanks to not having Gsync doing it.

Look, you can put up Linus videos all you want, that only further shows that you actually haven't looked into VRR at all.

It isn't even a discussion worth having with you, especially since you can't go more than a line without trying to make personal insults. Your posts in this thread have gone from oddly opinionated, to just outright wrong at this point.

Do yourself a favor, and educate yourself on the technology you are commenting on. I would recommend you don't start with Linus.

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Oh, and the "free", technically, was from a licensing standpoint actually. However, per hardware reps on this very forum, there very much was cost involved with getting FreeSync to market. As AMD laid the entirety of that process on them, aside from a validation process. Which was actually revamped to help prevent the myriad of issues FreeSync had.
    
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Look, you can put up Linus videos all you want, that only further shows that you actually haven't looked into VRR at all.

It isn't even a discussion worth having with you, especially since you can't go more than a line without trying to make personal insults. Your posts in this thread have gone from oddly opinionated, to just outright wrong at this point.

Do yourself a favor, and educate yourself on the technology you are commenting on. I would recommend you don't start with Linus.

How predictable, the only third party entity doing benchmarks into VRR are the ones you can't trust. Nvidia's word is the only absolute truth right.

Right there you have this test in a controlled environment using reliable techniques to measure input lag to the Milisecond with Analog Electric Bulbs and 1000 FPS Cameras, if you don't take that seriously then your scientific method is flawed, just because its Linus doesn't mean its wrong as you seem to imply, but it doesn't surprise me, when you can't fight the proof your only choice is to discredit its sources.

Also I'm not getting personal, you said I was spreading FUD and misinformation, I showed facts and a third party benchmark that Proved You Wrong, you discredit that for no other reason than "Linus lol" , so it begs the question, what are you doing?

Do me a favor and educate me please, I want to see you trying.
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You do understand that Nvidia lied to their 980Ti customers about being fully-supported of DX12 while knowing they didn't have one of the main features of DX12- Async Compute?

Ashes of Singularity wasn't a fluke, it was a reason why AMD smoked Nvidia on those benchmarks.

You mean "smoked" using updated drivers vs no drivers? You do remember what happened when nvidia brought updated drivers right? There was a nice 180 in terms of performance.

Btw, AMD are doing the same thing with transference calculations.
No one rising up to the pitchforks about that for some reason.

The 980 TI will fully support all DX12 API. That is what they promised. I'm not sure why lie about it if it ends up being true.

quote name="MoorishBrutha" url="/t/1590939/wccf-hitman-to-feature-best-implementation-of-dx12-async-compute-yet-says-amd#post_24883183"]
I think some Nvidia shill said so but alot, not just one, benchmarks saw bad performance from Nvidia due to the lack of Async Compute Engines in their GPUs. It's confirmed via White papers that none of Nvidia's cards (Maxwell, Kepler, Fermi) have Async Compute Engines built inside of them.
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The queue engine is in software, but the wrap scheduler are in hardware. So they have "partial" of overall compute engine in hardware.
Since AMD's "lead" in async was gone, regardless of nvidia doing it in software, currently it doesn't seems to be an issue.

Unless an early alpha version of the game shows up, use optimised AMD drivers but not working nvidia drivers, AMD will call "we are the winners!" and a couple of months later an updated driver comes from nvidia which again remove AMD's lead.
AMD are very early to declare things based on alpha or beta versions in order to establish a "win" regardless of the end results on release date.
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Are you sure I'm the one spreading Fud? You're fanboyism doesn't let you see clearly... Again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzHxhjcE0eQ

The only thing that Nvidia does better is Vsync, so I beg your pardon? Don't get mad at me for using facts when forming my opinion, unlike you who only take Nvidia's PR statements.

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Also FreeSync its FREE, I can get a FreeSync perfectly Working 1440p 144Hz 1ms Acer XG270HU for 300$ (Last Amazon Sale), how much do the Gsync equivalent cost? even when using the same Panel it never gets below 500$, its FREE where it matters.
I wonder if Linus' conclusion is too hasty and might have mistaken the error of the panel for the involved protocol. The later G-Sync panel PG279Q is not calibrated to work at 165 Hz faster than its 144 Hz refresh rate. Could the results be confounded by the pixel switching times? Here is Tft Central's own assessment of the situation:
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One area which wasn't quite as good though was the response times. We tested these again at 165Hz and compared them to our measurements we had taken at the optimum 144Hz refresh rate earlier. As a reminder, we found that as you increase the refresh rate from 60Hz to 144Hz, the response times improved as you went. The response times and overdrive impulse are dynamically controlled by the G-sync module it seems, and influenced by the active refresh rate. We hoped for a further improvement with the boost to 165Hz but actually the opposite was the case.
The response times were slightly slower overall at 165Hz than they had been at 144Hz. The average G2G was now 6.0ms instead of 5.2ms at 144Hz. This translated to a small amount of increased motion blur, but we're talking very very slight. This is arguably offset anyway by the slight improvement in motion clarity brought about by the higher frame rate / higher refresh rate.
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So it seems that at the overclocked 165Hz refresh rate the overdrive impulse is not being applied as aggressively and so response times are a little slower.
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Mantle was not 'meh' in the least, but if you still feel that way, you can email Khronos and let them know they're wasting their time with Vulkan. thumb.gif
Freesync is also not a 'meh' product; on the contrary, it is a very exciting technology and has been well received by consumer and manufacturers alike. Their GPUs are in a great place and Polaris is going to be strong as well.
The CPU division is betting the field on Zen, but even their offerings now have a place.

Nevertheless, none of that matters to some.

Mantle is dead.
Vulkan is alive only because someone else took the rains off AMD.
Freesync is not new. It was "stolen" from the already existing eDP.
Their GPUs place is great if losing market and money means a great place. The 300 series ended up being a bust, and the promised fiji and HBM as a "top end killer" ended up also being just a "meh" card. They are not marketing geniuses, and instead of attacking nvidia, they should concentrate on their own products.

Claims about polaris being strong, unless a crystal ball is involved, lets wait and see. I hope it does. AMD's track record is not great though.
And zen, has been promised for about 1.5 years now. it is only going to come out at the end of 2016. That is a long long time and many things can happen until then. The industry are not holding their breath right now.
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I wonder if Linus' conclusion is too hasty and might have mistaken the error of the panel for the involved protocol. The later G-Sync panel PG279Q is not calibrated to work at 165 Hz faster than its 144 Hz refresh rate. Could the results be confounded by the pixel switching times? Here is Tft Central's own assessment of the situation:
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The Gsync monitor used in the test was a PG278Q which have the same exact panel as the BenQ XL2730Z to avoid variables, both work at a maximum refresh rate of 144Hz and share the exact same features and characteristics, except for the VRR Technology.

I actually looked it up because if it was the PG279Q then the test would have been flawed.
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seems like for some AMD is there just for them to spit on it. doesn't matter what they do, AMD does nothing positive. rolleyes.gif
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The Gsync monitor used in the test was a PG278Q which have the same exact panel as the BenQ XL2730Z to avoid variables, both work at a maximum refresh rate of 144Hz and share the exact same features and characteristics, except for the VRR Technology.

I actually looked it up because if it was the PG279Q then the test would have been flawed.
Still, the brand might be the confounder, BenQ might have succeeded what Asus couldn't achieve.
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