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Hey all,

So here's what I'm looking for. I need a networked storage solution to hold a music library, photo library, movie library, multiple system back up images, etc. No less than 2x 2tb+ WD Blue HDD's. I won't be using RAID, I'll be manually copying the data too both HDD's. And saving automatic back up images from various networked systems directly to it(double redundancy). It needs to be capable of streaming the music, movies, and pictures to other systems within the network. Low power consumption is desired. Now with that said, What are your thoughts on my idea below? Would this be powerful enough to stream our movies to say our HTPC? It will be hard wired to the network router. It would be a very low power solution with a very small foot print and would be likely running windows 10. Or if anyone has a better solution for the same price (+/-) or cheaper please share. Let me know what yall think. Current pricing for the below components is around $437.40.

1: Using this incredibly SFF Dell micro computer as the driving system. (HOLY CRAP this thing's SMALL!)
A:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0161XVN4Q?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_4&smid=APUR2MHW28P9F $159.99

2: Upgrading this system with this additional hardware.
A: Larger SSD: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M8ABCZM?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_3&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER $55.99
B: Increase ram from 2gb to 8gb: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NZ8N6DC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_5&smid=A3O5UCB3BTOOSH $34.45
C: The cable required to install a 2.5" SSD into the Dell: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018U0GSHU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_2&smid=A2YY2BY7ZS42HC $16.99
D: The 2TB WD Blue HDD (x2): http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013QFRS2S?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_6&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER $84.99 ea. x2 = $169.98

3: For the storage drives I'm contemplating whether or not to build a small 2-4 bay external cage (I have access to a fab shop and have already designed and built a single external HDD housing (pics on request)) and using something similar to these adapters. I already have two adapters identical to this design minus the plastic casing on them. Mine are just bare pcb's.
A: SATA to USB 3.0 adapter with power supply: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GLL41MA?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_1&smid=A1683W8HSNOXQZ Already owned x2

Or if I decide not to design and build a case/cage for the drives I'm sure I could find a pre built HDD cage for pretty cheap. Looking forward to the community's comments and ideas.
post #2 of 17
You say you have a HTPC? Is there no way that the HTPC couldn't handle the job of NAS too?

EDIT: looked at your sig, I reckon it can and IMO would be worth a shot fist to save some money
post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by KaffieneKing View Post

You say you have a HTPC? Is there no way that the HTPC couldn't handle the job of NAS too?

EDIT: looked at your sig, I reckon it can and IMO would be worth a shot fist to save some money
Thanks for the reply. Yes I could use the HTPC to house the additional HDD's and just leave it at that. And I've considered that as an option actually. The biggest reasons I'm hesitating to do that is that we don't run our HTPC 24/7. It pulls a good bit of power when you compare it to something like my idea above. And I'm not sure how the HTPC would handle a scenario of streaming Netflix and transferring possibly large files at the same time for example. So your idea is not off the table, I'm just looking for other ideas/opinions.
post #4 of 17
PC to PC you will not have to transcode the video on the fly so the most limiting factor is network speed. Netflix on the HTPC and transfers will not be an issue more than likely. For example my internet is 35Mbps and I have gigabit ethernet (1000Mbps). Even if Netflix saturated my internet, its not even close to saturating my network. Leaves 900+mbps for transfers/streaming within my own network which is plenty. The only reason I would suggest building a separate machine/server is if you want it to function as a server. For example mine automatically backs up all the devices on my network, automatically acquires TV shows and movies ive queue, renames and moves them, plex serves them up to multiple client machines and transcodes them on the fly when needed, etc. (my server in my sig). Centralizing all of that and more is very convenient and is purpose built to do what i need.

Id say for now, let your HTPC act as the server too. I use Lightsout on my server and estimates put annual power usage at about $100-$200. Unless your in an area where energy prices are through the roof, the differences wont be that great, and depending how often you watch stuff from the server may be higher (2 computers to watch something instead of 1). Id say do the HTPC for now and when you are ready to centralize things move to a sever/nas that can handle it all.
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Originally Posted by Zer0CoolX View Post

PC to PC you will not have to transcode the video on the fly so the most limiting factor is network speed. Netflix on the HTPC and transfers will not be an issue more than likely. For example my internet is 35Mbps and I have gigabit ethernet (1000Mbps). Even if Netflix saturated my internet, its not even close to saturating my network. Leaves 900+mbps for transfers/streaming within my own network which is plenty. The only reason I would suggest building a separate machine/server is if you want it to function as a server. For example mine automatically backs up all the devices on my network, automatically acquires TV shows and movies ive queue, renames and moves them, plex serves them up to multiple client machines and transcodes them on the fly when needed, etc. (my server in my sig). Centralizing all of that and more is very convenient and is purpose built to do what i need.

Id say for now, let your HTPC act as the server too. I use Lightsout on my server and estimates put annual power usage at about $100-$200. Unless your in an area where energy prices are through the roof, the differences wont be that great, and depending how often you watch stuff from the server may be higher (2 computers to watch something instead of 1). Id say do the HTPC for now and when you are ready to centralize things move to a sever/nas that can handle it all.
I see thank you. My internet is 150mb down and 12mb up. My ethernet is also gigabit. So if I was to use our HTPC this way are there any things I should do to it or additional software I would need to run? Our systems are already set up on a shared home network. For example, when I set up the automated back ups for the other networked systems would I simply be able to point the file save location to the HTPC? I'm doing all this because in the last 3 years I've lost 2x 4tb Seagate back up drives, both after 1 year of use. And each time I lost all the stored data. Thanks for the advice guys!
post #6 of 17
I use windows storage spaces, I got the idea from here

Works pretty well as a software raid and is very easy to set up, other than that it works as normal storage, just allow the network access/sharing.

You might also be able to get more ideas from that page
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by KaffieneKing View Post

I use windows storage spaces, I got the idea from here

Works pretty well as a software raid and is very easy to set up, other than that it works as normal storage, just allow the network access/sharing.

You might also be able to get more ideas from that page
I only had a few minutes to check out windows storage spaces. But from the little I've read so far it sounds really sweet, thanks for the link. Here's another question. If the HTPC we're to go into sleep mode or some sort of low power state, it would drop from the network right?
post #8 of 17
I have used my media center for centralized storage for years, but I do not have that many connected users. Even the old hardware has plenty of power for this.

I am not using any on the fly transcoding or anything however.

I recently picked up an entry level nas(only used for file storage). Time will tell how this compares.
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Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
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post #9 of 17
personaly id go a synology nas in raid 1 with 2x 4tb wd blues. keeps things simple and reliable
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by Nukemaster View Post

I have used my media center for centralized storage for years, but I do not have that many connected users. Even the old hardware has plenty of power for this.

I am not using any on the fly transcoding or anything however.

I recently picked up an entry level nas(only used for file storage). Time will tell how this compares.
I don't see myself doing any transcoding either. At least not in the near future. What nas did you choose and what are your initial thoughts between using your media center vs the new nas?

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personaly id go a synology nas in raid 1 with 2x 4tb wd blues. keeps things simple and reliable
So for a 4x 3.5" bay (room for expansion) nas with 2x WD 2Tb blue HDD's what would you suggest? While staying under $450.00? Sorry for my ignorance still but I see 4 bay nas units selling anywhere from $150.00 to $800.00 or more... What in the world makes these things so different? What makes a cheap nas cheap and an expensive nas expensive? Don't they all pretty much do the same thing? And to note I will not be running anything in raid regardless of what I end up doing.
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