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nvidia and drivers : yeah let's completely gimp our previous lineup in a new driver cause suddenly from one driver update you lose 20fps yep rolleyes.gif
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and if I see correctly the benq you mentioned is the same price as my dell g-sync. where is that $200 price advantage over gsync?
144 Hz strobing and better overdrive.

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So basically, if the next TITAN aint coming till 2017, that 1080 better be a stunner. It makes more sense for TITAN to drop when Polaris comes out to ruin AMD's party.
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Let's talk about problems, I just switched from quad Titans to a single Fury and my frame rate is similar, relatively speaking, and frametimes are better. In fact, I am wondering why it took me so long to switch... one reason was this non sensical perception that AMD drivers are somehow behind Nvidia. Wrong! And where is Nvidia's sli scaling and driver improvements on the pacing side now? In the toilet, yeah, that's where.

Wrong only on your anecdotal experience. In my anecdotal experience AMD does have inferior drivers. I've used single AMD card setups, crossfire, single nvidia and SLI and in all experiences AMD has always been more problematic for me. Especially in crossfire vs SLI. When i had crossfire my scaling was rarely above 20-30%, with SLI im usually 80-90% as i should be. Also people complained about micro stutter where 30 fps on a single card feels better than 60 on 2 cards because of that. I did experience that with AMD, but as soon as i switched to SLI i never felt any difference between single and SLI. Not to mention nvidia gets drivers out much quicker than AMD, that in itself holds value.

Of course this is just in my anecdotal experiences. Can certainly be different for others. But for me personally, for all these reasons and more i'll never buy AMD again, nvidia is just better imo (even if some of their business practices are questionable).
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Excuse me in advance for hijacking this thread but this is something I must say: To all the people claiming the 980Ti is this god-sent wondercard that is better and faster in every conceiveable way than a Titan X, stop. It isn't and it never will be. Stop fooling yourself and everyone else. The 980Ti is an AMAZING card for the price, it really is. I even owned one.

But what bothers me is that ever since it came out, people have been coming up with new ways and excuses to bash and downtalk the Titan X, as if there was any personal gain from doing this. This fact is also represented by many reviewers out there, who didn't even bother overclocking the Titan X or adjusting the fan curve. As a result, the general consensus was that the Titan "generally boosts to about 1200mhZ and that it runs at 84°C". Meanwhile the fan never goes above 35% and not a single slider in AB was touched. Now compare that to reviews of the 980Ti, where cards were overclocked to hell and back, both from manufacturers and reviewers and you get a scenario where the 980Ti beats the Titan in almost every game. How is this fair though?

For example: My own Titans will do 1440mhZ core game stable at 1200mV and 3800mhZ memory clock. Both cards are air cooled and the fans don't go above 90%. Max temps on the top card are 79/80°C. Without SLI, both cards achieve an easy 1500 core - ON AIR. So to claim, the Titan X is any worse than a 980Ti, is completely ridiculous and false. Clock for clock and with actual tinkering, (fan curves, etc) the Titan X beats the 980Ti every single time. That's what us enthusiasts should be all about, tinkering and finding the absolute most performance in our precious hardware, not sticking the fans to 35% and calling it a hot running card.

Also, in regards to VRAM: Earlier today, I was playing GTA V and at 5760x1080 with max settings and 2x MSAA (not 8x, but only 2x) the usage went anywhere from 7.5GB to around 11GB. So to claim that the 12GB VRAM on the Titan X is a gimmick or overkill is again, ridiculous and false. As time marches on, those 12GB will come in very handy and then, a lot of people on 970's and 980's will cry about "bad games and crap optimization".
But what is still absolutely true is the high admission price of the Titan X and the sheer value propositoin of the 980Ti. That cannot be argued away.

This is not a personal attack or critique towards anyone but rather a general sentiment. If however I violated any forum terms, then please mods, take the post down.
Edited by xTesla1856 - 2/13/16 at 1:46pm
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Wrong only on your anecdotal experience. In my anecdotal experience AMD does have inferior drivers. I've used single AMD card setups, crossfire, single nvidia and SLI and in all experiences AMD has always been more problematic for me. Especially in crossfire vs SLI. When i had crossfire my scaling was rarely above 20-30%, with SLI im usually 80-90% as i should be. Also people complained about micro stutter where 30 fps on a single card feels better than 60 on 2 cards because of that. I did experience that with AMD, but as soon as i switched to SLI i never felt any difference between single and SLI. Not to mention nvidia gets drivers out much quicker than AMD, that in itself holds value.

Of course this is just in my anecdotal experiences. Can certainly be different for others. But for me personally, for all these reasons and more i'll never buy AMD again, nvidia is just better imo (even if some of their business practices are questionable).

Not sure what time frame you are referencing for AMD's driver problems; pre -pcper or post-pcper after AMD corrected it issues, as even so called independent reviewers, including pcper have acknowledged that AMD drivers are at par, and in some cases better than Nvidia and vice -a-versa. Only games where AMD seems to have issues is where gimpworks has done its job and that's where quite frankly all my Nvidia cards have issues too not just AMD, albeit different issues. Yes, I am sharing my own experience and that's that the only data point that matters to ME. Others are more than welcome to disagree, of course, but there is no way in hell someone is going to convince me that Nvidia drivers are better than AMD now, as I have had more than my share of Nvidia driver problems to the point that I quit pc gaming altogether until recently when I picked the Fury, so there is that- another just an anecdote. I don't what the state of AMD's crossfire is, as I haven't had any experience with it yet, but assuming there may be crossfire problems, I am not sure that using the lowest common denominator as performance threshold is where the "market leader" should aspire to be, particularly if it charges a premium for something, presumably its the so called "superior drivers" . Or, may be these "superior drivers" are only available to the chosen few who continually upgrade to Nvidia's latest and greatest spin off skus, based on whenever Nvidia decides that it wants a new sales cycle. I am not interested in paying a "premium" to rent a video card for a limited period of driver optimization support, but hey that's just me, and at the end of the day, I only care about ME, not a brand.... lol
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Thanks for that.. now I'm tempted to grab 2 Titan X and call it a day. Would you recommend them to someone coming from 980 SLI?

Never owned a titan card in any form and now that I finally have the money together for such a setup, nvidia pulls this crap again.
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Thanks for that.. now I'm tempted to grab 2 Titan X and call it a day. Would you recommend them to someone coming from 980 SLI?

Never owned a titan card in any form and now that I finally have the money together for such a setup, nvidia pulls this crap again.

If you have the means, I highly suggest picking them up, they're amazing cards. thumb.gif But on a serious note: If they're overkill for your monitor though or you end up with high ASIC cards consider slapping a custom BIOS on them and undervolting them to 1150mV. You'll have quiet and cool running Titans with a lot of OC potential left to boot !
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If you have the means, I highly suggest picking them up, they're amazing cards. thumb.gif But on a serious note: If they're overkill for your monitor though or you end up with high ASIC cards consider slapping a custom BIOS on them and undervolting them to 1150mV. You'll have quiet and cool running Titans with a lot of OC potential left to boot !
Cool, definitely something I will seriously consider then! A monitor upgrade would come down the line by the way, if I go this route. Thanks again for sharing your experience with the cards. +rep
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Excuse me in advance for hijacking this thread but this is something I must say: To all the people claiming the 980Ti is this god-sent wondercard that is better and faster in every conceiveable way than a Titan X, stop. It isn't and it never will be. Stop fooling yourself and everyone else. The 980Ti is an AMAZING card for the price, it really is. I even owned one.

But what bothers me is that ever since it came out, people have been coming up with new ways and excuses to bash and downtalk the Titan X, as if there was any personal gain from doing this. This fact is also represented by many reviewers out there, who didn't even bother overclocking the Titan X or adjusting the fan curve. As a result, the general consensus was that the Titan "generally boosts to about 1200mhZ and that it runs at 84°C". Meanwhile the fan never goes above 35% and not a single slider in AB was touched. Now compare that to reviews of the 980Ti, where cards were overclocked to hell and back, both from manufacturers and reviewers and you get a scenario where the 980Ti beats the Titan in almost every game. How is this fair though?

For example: My own Titans will do 1440mhZ core game stable at 1200mV and 3800mhZ memory clock. Both cards are air cooled and the fans don't go above 90%. Max temps on the top card are 79/80°C. Without SLI, both cards achieve an easy 1500 core - ON AIR. So to claim, the Titan X is any worse than a 980Ti, is completely ridiculous and false. Clock for clock and with actual tinkering, (fan curves, etc) the Titan X beats the 980Ti every single time. That's what us enthusiasts should be all about, tinkering and finding the absolute most performance in our precious hardware, not sticking the fans to 35% and calling it a hot running card.

Also, in regards to VRAM: Earlier today, I was playing GTA V and at 5760x1080 with max settings and 2x MSAA (not 8x, but only 2x) the usage went anywhere from 7.5GB to around 11GB. So to claim that the 12GB VRAM on the Titan X is a gimmick or overkill is again, ridiculous and false. As time marches on, those 12GB will come in very handy and then, a lot of people on 970's and 980's will cry about "bad games and crap optimization".
But what is still absolutely true is the high admission price of the Titan X and the sheer value propositoin of the 980Ti. That cannot be argued away.

This is not a personal attack or critique towards anyone but rather a general sentiment. If however I violated any forum terms, then please mods, take the post down.

Clock for clock and assuming no throttling of course the Titan X will beat 980 Ti. Those extra 256 shaders aren't there for nothing. That said, the reference blower on the Titan X is loud, and even with the fan up to 90% you're still hitting almost 80C. Any good custom 980 Ti could easily run 5-10C cooler with less noise, which is part of where the "980 Ti overclocks" better statement comes from. Then consider the fact that Titan X is reference PCB only, and those 6 phases will only go so far, especially if you're pulling close to 400W under load. Even though Maxwell doesn't voltage scale worth a damn on air/water, having a beefier power circuitry is always a bonus when you push your cards to the limit and start pulling 350W+.

Just to give you an idea. my 980 Ti running 1530/7800 @ 1.23V pulls on average 350W in BF4, and this is with the card under water on an overkill custom loop. On air it pulls 10% more power since the GPU runs much hotter and has higher current leakage. That's going to put a lot of strain on those VRM mosfets, and they better have good cooling or the mosfets themselves are going to throttle and kill your overclock. Which reminds me, the reference nVidia blower doesn't to a great job at cooling those mosfets, so if you overvolt while you overclock, you might start getting limited by those mosfets instead.

As for vram, well it's important to distinguish between games caching as much as possible, vs actually needing it. 3x 1080p surround is still only 75% the pixels of 4K, and so far I haven't heard anyone complaining about the 980 Ti running out of vram playing GTA V at 4K.
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