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Well when the 980 was released it wasnt really faster then my 780 ti, only after 3/4 year of lesser driver support for the 780 ti the 980 became faster. No way the 980 was 30% faster than a 780 ti. Not speaking of stock clocks/boosts. Most of the speed of the 980 compaired to a 780 ti was because u could clock it higher and after that.. yeah driver magic.

If the 1080 is as fast as a 980 ti and comes in at a high pricepoint then okay but i was referring to people who claim the 1080 should be at least 30% faster. Thats just... lol and is not going to happen. People think pascal is going to be epic because they saw a chart which showed mega computing powe but thats not where the magic happens regarding GTX cards.

U are still thinking it wont happen. I can assure u a 300mm die with 16nm finfet has the same amt of transistor at 600m GM200 with 28nm. Not including any architectual changes. With that inclusive it will perform 10-20% faster. Add in Better thermal with better gpu boost tweak. It could easily hit 25-30%
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don't forget, maxwell is a lot more sensitive to heat and can start to voltage throttle above 64c.

so yeah, NV could be looking to keep temps down fo dat GPU boost deuce.

That makes no sense. 64C? Voltage throttle? On some models the fan doesn't even turn on until it reaches 50C.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-970/specifications
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That makes no sense. 64C? Voltage throttle? On some models the fan doesn't even turn on until it reaches 50C.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-970/specifications

i know what specs are thank you. go ahead and cruise through the 980TI owners thread if you want, you'll see a lot more than one asking "wth, is going on?!"

some cards can handle a 6mv throttle and not drop clocks, some can't.
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There are 3 voltage sliders that control Maxwell's boost behavior, as shown in the pic above from my own modded bios. Here's the thing: MBT did not properly read GM200 bioses initially, leading to missing voltage sliders. It just so happens one of those sliders is actually the "temp throttle slider" that defines the acceptable range of voltages over a temperature range. So if you wanted to kill the variable voltage behavior, you had to peg the voltage to one value so the GPU has no choice but to use that voltage once it goes into the P0 (3D load) state.
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I'm Titan X SLI custom bios and on water and I too have serious doubts about 1500 on air. I'm calling that Fud as well...

It's possible but only with a modded bios to kill the temp throttling voltage behavior.
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That makes no sense. 64C? Voltage throttle? On some models the fan doesn't even turn on until it reaches 50C.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-970/specifications

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i know what specs are thank you. go ahead and cruise through the 980TI owners thread if you want, you'll see a lot more than one asking "wth, is going on?!"

some cards can handle a 6mv throttle and not drop clocks, some can't.

I think they mostly throttled when you overclock them and the temperature is around 60-70c.

I may have been a combination of temperature and the power limit, one or the other, or even something else.
I'm not 100% certain what causes it to throttle the most.

I had to mod my bios on my GTX 970 as going above 1530MHz on the stock bios seemed almost impossible as it would always throttle the clock-speed whenever under load for prolonged periods of time above 1530MHz. This was while the temperature was between 60-70 Celsius and without any voltage increases on my G1 Gaming model.

I think it throttled in combination with voltage increases as-well, it was a very weird and an annoying inconvenience.

However other Maxwell cards may behavior differently so I can't say for certain that every Maxwell card does this, however they seem to be quite sensitive to this sort of thing.
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There are 3 voltage sliders that control Maxwell's boost behavior, as shown in the pic above from my own modded bios. Here's the thing: MBT did not properly read GM200 bioses initially, leading to missing voltage sliders. It just so happens one of those sliders is actually the "temp throttle slider" that defines the acceptable range of voltages over a temperature range. So if you wanted to kill the variable voltage behavior, you had to peg the voltage to one value so the GPU has no choice but to use that voltage once it goes into the P0 (3D load) state.
It's possible but only with a modded bios to kill the temp throttling voltage behavior.


Yep, messing with those 3 sliders, will disable the card throttle down.
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One thing I'm not clear on is why graphics cards seem to be the only commodity in the world where prices are never expected to rise despite inflation.
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One thing I'm not clear on is why graphics cards seem to be the only commodity in the world where prices are never expected to rise despite inflation.

Greedy user/customer base, the games we need them for have the same problem.
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100% price chock, seemed a lot!

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One thing I'm not clear on is why graphics cards seem to be the only commodity in the world where prices are never expected to rise despite inflation.
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One thing I'm not clear on is why graphics cards seem to be the only commodity in the world where prices are never expected to rise despite inflation.

The prices of graphics cards have never been stable enough to be solely dictated by inflation. So many more moving parts, including supply and demand of the actual products, and cost reductions that came from things like reducing the process sizes.

If this industry was operating on razor thin margins then yea, inflation would really matter to the end price... but the only company that doesn't make huge money is AMD lol.
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