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1070 perform the same as a Titan X for $350? lachen.gif That hype train is going to burn real fast.. That would be a terrible business decision, even if it were possible. One thing i can say for Nvidia, is that they aren't terrible at business.

I wouldn't be surprised if it only performs slightly better than a 980, but obviously perf-per-watt will be far greater.
yeah because we never saw nvidia crippling their cards in favor of the newer gen eh?
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That makes no sense. 64C? Voltage throttle? On some models the fan doesn't even turn on until it reaches 50C.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-970/specifications
Yup, that is normal behavior for both Maxwell & Kepler. Except for my 980 Ti, the throttling point is 71-72c (for the 780 I had before it was 65-66c). There are probably other throttle points at higher temps, but I've never reached them. Highest I managed is about 80c on a heavy OC-ed card under OCCT torture.

When the card reaches throttle point, it lowers the voltage one notch and drops the clock for 13MHz. Good thing is that the G1 cooler is designed to keep the card just under 70c in normal gaming conditions, so throttling is not really a problem.

But even if it does throttle sometimes, it's not like 13MHz will make a difference anyway. If you want to be sure that you'll stay at your desired boost clock all the time though, you can always bump the voltage one notch over stock or flash a custom BIOS.
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The prices of graphics cards have never been stable enough to be solely dictated by inflation. So many more moving parts, including supply and demand of the actual products, and cost reductions that came from things like reducing the process sizes.

If this industry was operating on razor thin margins then yea, inflation would really matter to the end price... but the only company that doesn't make huge money is AMD lol.

Okay...then why is there the constant demand among enthusiasts to never under any circumstances see a price increase?
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it was gpuboost 2 that brought temps into play. enough is written about that. maxwell really is more temp sensitive and it took awhile for folks to wrap their heads around temp>voltage though it seems some still haven't.


so yeah, i can see nvidia putting out a reference water block, not for any thermal dissipation issues but, simply to increase clock speed out of the box.
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The prices of graphics cards have never been stable enough to be solely dictated by inflation. So many more moving parts, including supply and demand of the actual products, and cost reductions that came from things like reducing the process sizes.

If this industry was operating on razor thin margins then yea, inflation would really matter to the end price... but the only company that doesn't make huge money is AMD lol.

He was referring to the consumers expectation of the price not increasing, not actual market forces that would cause the price to increase or decrease.
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Okay...then why is there the constant demand among enthusiasts to never under any circumstances see a price increase?

Some price increase is expected, but the almost 100% increase we got from Nvidia when the Titan line dropped has always been when my issue started.

For others, it could have been further back with the 8800 Ultra.
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it was gpuboost 2 that brought temps into play. enough is written about that. maxwell really is more temp sensitive and it took awhile for folks to wrap their heads around temp>voltage though it seems some still haven't.


so yeah, i can see nvidia putting out a reference water block, not for any thermal dissipation issues but, simply to increase clock speed out of the box.

All GCN cards are temp sensitive. For example, my 290X can be stable 40C but not stable at 50C which is very low temp to begin with. After that its about 62C.
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Will there be a "low end card "?
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it was gpuboost 2 that brought temps into play. enough is written about that. maxwell really is more temp sensitive and it took awhile for folks to wrap their heads around temp>voltage though it seems some still haven't.


so yeah, i can see nvidia putting out a reference water block, not for any thermal dissipation issues but, simply to increase clock speed out of the box.
If it's not a thermal dissipation issue , then why not just raise the temp threshold a little?
Edited by PlugSeven - 2/15/16 at 11:54am
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Okay...then why is there the constant demand among enthusiasts to never under any circumstances see a price increase?

Because there is a massive gouging on enthusiast GPU's already? Or do you think the extra 6gb of GDDR5 cost the $400 dollar per unit increase seen going from Titan-X to 980ti? $600 is low enough to sell a GPU at and still make a good profit on it, that is known.

I don't think it's too much to ask, that as an early adopter, already paying a $400 dollar early access fee, with a bonus of a few extra GB of VRAM that they not crank it up even further for "inflation"

I'm not complaining about the current price point (which is still a massive mark up), I knew what I was doing to begin with and that if I held out a few months I would have gotten the same thing basically for about half the price. I just don't think they should mark it up even more.
Edited by DNMock - 2/15/16 at 11:56am
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