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It's an OEM shape, basically. The chinese company creates the shape and PCB and everything, and other companies just ask them to change the logo and a few other things (DPI steps, etc etc), and then resell it for us.
Got it?
well I knew that.. but .. meh whatever.

What I am more surprised by is that they have the same logo on the DPI step.
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well I knew that.. but .. meh whatever.

What I am more surprised by is that they have the same logo on the DPI step.

Exactly, 0 effort mouse.
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If it's good, it's good, no? I'll let you all know mine is apparently coming today. Also if the guy from DM is here the payment still hasn't been accepted via paypal from the shop I ordered. You guys shipped without actually taking my money.. tongue.gif

Also didn't finalmouse do exactly that, have someone else make the mold for their 2015 edition and launch it
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Also didn't finalmouse do exactly that, have someone else make the mold for their 2015 edition and launch it

Same factory. Same PCB.
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So i gave this mouse 3 days before i did a review.



First i want to say i have the same impression like some others on OCN. This mouse is a step in the right direction. It needs improvements, but it's almost there.




Pros

+coating

Feels quality. Just like on the steelseries XAI. Although i would prefer all glossy.

+liftoff

Not too high not too low. I'm actually using the highest lift off setting on the zowie FK1 as well.

+sensor position

It's about perfect: ~6,3mm. And it should really be in the 6,2-6,5mm range with this kind of shape. That's where all the ambi mice fail. kinzu 1-3 , kana 1/2, you name it.


+only one sidebutton on the left side

I would even prefer no buttons at all. I wish they could sell an additional top shell without buttons on the next version. I would easily pay 10-15 euros for it.


+shape

+sensor

No need to comment here.





Cons:

-Only one pollingrate step

Yes 1000hz is the way to go on the 3310. That's the step i'm using on the FK1 as well although i'm used to 500hz. But still. Usually 500hz is enough for the most people, unless your sensitivity is medium or low. As there is a CPI button, i don't see how they couldn't add a button for pollingrates. But as i said it's not really important with the 3310. That being said i wouldn't use 3366 implementation of the G303 on anything else than 500hz.

-clicks

They are a mystery to me on this mouse. Sometimes they feel ok and sometimes they feel random at best. Always different depending on where your index finger is actually. I don't see how this is fixable with this design, so every handsize and grip is pleased, but it was way better and never a problem on the xai or kinzu for whatever reason. (maybe other materials used. less flexible?)

-mousewheel

It feels way too smal and at least like 3 mm too much to the front. Really strange as this wasn't a problem for me on the XAI. I have the same problem like someone else on this thread, When i don't click the wheel carefully i'm scrolling down. That's not because of the force required for actuation of the click- It feels to far away. However it happens very rare. I'm sure this is fixable with an other kind of wheel. (one that fills the gaps between the arrows maybe.)



Now the worst part. And this is where the ninox aurora is much better (i tried 3 units and all of them where perfect in this regard)

-Not fully centered sensor and lense. (according to the sensorhole. even just from the looks of it)

I really tried fixing it, just like i do with any mouse with this kind of lense. eg. 3310, 3090 , 3888 sensor mice to counter any feelling of randomness (old picture of one of my mods so you get an idea http://cdn.overclock.net/6/63/63ffe4ad_kinzu222.jpeg)

The problem is that the lense still gets pushed to the right. I think the PCB, or the plastic pins holding the PCB (or even the sensor-chip itself) is wrongly aligned.





Nontheless i will keep using the DM1 pro, as there is just no other ambidextrous mouse with a good shape (with more than 400CPI) and a good sensor position right now.

And props to the support and the fast shipping of Dreammachines pl. I ordered on thursday and the mouse arrived on saturday in germany.
Edited by acid_reptile - 3/1/16 at 8:03pm
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-clicks
-Not fully centered sensor and lense. (according to the sensorhole. even just from the looks of it)

I noticed both of these but I didn't say anything about the sensor because I wasn't sure if it was me eyeballing it that made it feel off, I never measured so I didn't bring it up. The clicks are entirely random for me as well, they're either tactile, mushy, or have this weird feeling of scraping on something.
    
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Well that doesn't sound great about the clicks, shame because this mouse looked almost perfect for me.

What's the effect of an off center lens?
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Well that doesn't sound great about the clicks, shame because this mouse looked almost perfect for me.

What's the effect of an off center lens?


Any mouse feels less precise as it could, when the lense is not in line with the sensorhole. That doesn't mean you can't play with it just fine. Many people won't feel affected by it. Would they feel it side by side comparission? Hell yes. But the random positive acceleration of the steelseries XAI/Senei, and it's sensor dust problem is a much bigger issue. Not even comparable.

Btw, with the lense design of the 3366 it would be even worse, as you can't see the edges from the lense through the sensor hole, like it's the case with the 3XXX senor mice. There's also no way to fix the lense to the bottom shell, as seen in my picture of the kinzuadder. That's another reason i got bored with my G100s @ G303 internals mod (but the g100s is to narrow for me to the front, coming from the G1/mx300 anyways.)
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Any mouse feels less precise as it could, when the lense is not in line with the sensorhole. That doesn't mean you can't play with it just fine. Many people won't feel affected by it. Would they feel it side by side comparission? Hell yes. But the random positive acceleration of the steelseries XAI/Senei, and it's sensor dust problem is a much bigger issue. Not even comparable.

Btw, with the lense design of the 3366 it would be even worse, as you can't see the edges from the lense through the sensor hole, like it's the case with the 3XXX senor mice. There's also no way to fix the lense to the bottom shell, as seen in my picture of the kinzuadder. That's another reason i got bored with my G100s @ G303 internals mod (but the g100s is to narrow for me to the front, coming from the G1/mx300 anyways.)

What do you mean there's no way to fix the lens to the bottom shell? Just glue it. That seems too obvious but what am I missing?
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@ac
What do you mean there's no way to fix the lens to the bottom shell? Just glue it. That seems too obvious but what am I missing?

We are humans and no machines. That's the problem. Sure you can try to exactly center it by yourself. It is just way easier taping the lense

spot edges like this: http://imgur.com/JpJhxNK , so the lense kinda centers itself. Some lense designs are just too round for this method

(logitech G303, G3,G9 just to name a few)

It is still more usable vs. its original shape, but proper modding is almost impossible: http://imgur.com/MI8Vj2u
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