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Unregulated for now. The FDA is doing reviews and states are starting to align e-cigs with existing cigarette regulation. Regardless of all of that, tobacco use is way down and decreases every generation.

And yet, profits are rising. Saddening a bit.
    
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Vegetable Glycerin - used as an agent in toothpaste, cosmetics, shampoos, soaps, herbal remedies, pharmaceuticals, and other household items.

Propylene Glycol - used by the chemical, food, and pharmaceutical industries as an antifreeze when leakage might lead to contact with food. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as an additive that is "generally recognized as safe" for use in food.

Think about it!!!!!!! Do the math and think long and hard.

Derp. None of those "generally recognized as safe" uses are even remotely close to inhaling the stuff.

Show me studies on the effects of inhaling large quantities of vaporized PG or VG on human physiology. You can't because there are none.

So stop with the pseudoscience already.
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For PG there was.. done because it's used for fog effects in movies isn't it, actors wanted to know if that was harming them? I can't find it anymore, saw it while back now and the conclusion was, no fear. VG sounds better in theory but no studies has been made.
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Derp. None of those "generally recognized as safe" uses are even remotely close to inhaling the stuff.

Show me studies on the effects of inhaling large quantities of vaporized PG or VG on human physiology. You can't because there are none.

So stop with the pseudoscience already.

thats the thing. Everyone is wanting to make blanket statements with no science to back it up. Largely because there is NONE.

Mods, can we move this please?
    
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thats the thing. Everyone is wanting to make blanket statements with no science to back it up. Largely because there is NONE.

Mods, can we move this please?

That's the issue I have with this discussion. While I'm not clear on what this study actually states other than the use of a particular flavor, many chemicals and compounds have complex interactions... without real long term studies, we won't know.

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For PG there was.. done because it's used for fog effects in movies isn't it, actors wanted to know if that was harming them? I can't find it anymore, saw it while back now and the conclusion was, no fear. VG sounds better in theory but no studies has been made.

Still, it's not widely known what long term effects it may have. It just hasn't been researched. The "big cloud" vapers are surely inhaling much more than exposure to smog machines.

I'm fine with people saying it's less harmful than smoking tobacco, I'm vaping nicotine juice to ween myself off the horrible substance... I'm not hacking or wheezing like I used to. But I'm also using unflavored nicotine juice. Sugar isn't something the lungs are normally exposed to either, not in great quantity. How that affects people long term is also probably not known.

I'm just not going to fool myself into thinking it's harmless when it's still really not known.
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I could be wrong but I believe he meant for us to think about why, despite the very low number main ingredients in e-cigs, there aren't any many significant studies conducted in order for Gov'ment's approval of e-cigs?
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Derp. None of those "generally recognized as safe" uses are even remotely close to inhaling the stuff.

Show me studies on the effects of inhaling large quantities of vaporized PG or VG on human physiology. You can't because there are none.

So stop with the pseudoscience already.

thats the thing. Everyone is wanting to make blanket statements with no science to back it up. Largely because there is NONE.

Mods, can we move this please?

Sorry but according to the guidelines, this thread will remain where it is. The article doesn't present in a speculative way and I unfortunately can't move it.
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Adults shouldn't be prohibited from putting anything into their bodies if it doesn't harm others. If the second hand smoke vapors don't harm others, then there's no reason to ban it in public places. If it does, the regulate it like cigarettes. People should be able to choose to vape even if it's hurting their immune system. But I have a feeling that the vape industry will fund their own studies to fight these results.
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 But I have a feeling that the vape industry will fund their own studies to fight these results.

It would be instantly labeled as bias, and that isn't an unfair label. IDEALLY, we can get a good independent, self-funded, knowledgeable of how vaping works, and thorough study...That shouldn't be hard, right...right?

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 But I have a feeling that the vape industry will fund their own studies to fight these results.
It would be instantly labeled as bias, and that isn't an unfair label. IDEALLY, we can get a good independent, self-funded, knowledgeable of how vaping works, and thorough study...That shouldn't be hard, right...right?

The real question is, is there any company in the vape industry that has enough market share or profit to afford such a thing? Maybe Blu? Or RJR with Vuse? But yeah, if RJR did a study, who would believe the results?

There's also a clinical trial that's currently recruiting in SF "Clinical Pharmacology of Electronic Cigarettes" started in June 2015 but not expected to finish until some time in 2018:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02470754
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