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Make your own Ejuice, Wrap your own Coils problem solved smile.gif

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i wont be worried at all. im using vaping as a stepping stone to stop smoking ciggerettes after 20 years. it worked. i havent smoked a ciggerette in 2 months and soon i'll be quitting vaping.
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That's only 2 of the 3.

2 of the 3 on the label. AEMSA certified = none of those. the 3rd, acetone is just in butter flavorings with diactyl. the two mentioned are the ones you want to watch for anyways.

just buy juice that is aemsa certified and you're way safer than just using any ol liquid.

and again, there's always the option to make your own juice , and you can use no flavorings and not worry about anything.
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Hospitals have vaporized Propelene Glycol into there air since the 1950s as it is a antibacterial.
I find this assertion very curious. As a third generation medical professional, I have never seen a hospital pump PG into the air supply. Certainly, there is evidence online to support such use, but no hospitals I know of disinfect the air itself (too many chemically sensitive people, too many contraindications), instead opting to spot disinfect and filter the air.

We're talking about heat based vaporization here, not room temperature misting like one would get in any hospital that did this. Nobody is saying that a room temperature mist or even PG itself is what is causing the damage. It is the reaction of PG to oxygen and heat that is the issue. It is thermal byproducts that are the problem.
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I find this assertion very curious. As a third generation medical professional, I have never seen a hospital pump PG into the air supply. Certainly, there is evidence online to support such use, but no hospitals I know of disinfect the air itself (too many chemically sensitive people, too many contraindications), instead opting to spot disinfect and filter the air.

We're talking about heat based vaporization here, not room temperature misting like one would get in any hospital that did this. Nobody is saying that a room temperature mist or even PG itself is what is causing the damage. It is the reaction of PG to oxygen and heat that is the issue. It is thermal byproducts that are the problem.

Umm no all hospitals restaurants and the like use air disinfectants in there Ac systems all of them, by rule of the EPA. All said Air disinfectants main ingredients is Propelene Glycol. You may not know about it because you are a doctor or nurse not the HVAC guy, It is required by US law that all hospitals use Air disinfectants.

It has also been tested and is also used in Dehumidifiers hints the heat. You are wrong this has been tested and proven PG heated and inhaled is not only not dangerous it works as a germicide.

Again I will say check the link, read.... The only misnomer is the heating and inhaling of the flavoring. If you were to not use flavoring then by the FDAs own admittance it would be 100% safe, Nicotine aside, As Nicotine is poisonous by nature however it take a dose that is large in comparison to how we use it. But a few drops of pure Nicotine will kill you.
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i wont be worried at all. im using vaping as a stepping stone to stop smoking ciggerettes after 20 years. it worked. i havent smoked a ciggerette in 2 months and soon i'll be quitting vaping.
2 of the 3 on the label. AEMSA certified = none of those. the 3rd, acetone is just in butter flavorings with diactyl. the two mentioned are the ones you want to watch for anyways.

and again, there's always the option to make your own juice , and you can use no flavorings and not worry about anything.
Only diacetyl is mentioned in the AEMSA certification standards. The other two are GRaS, so under the standards, they are okay to use.

http://www.aemsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/AEMSA-Standards_Version-1-8.pdf
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Umm no all hospitals restaurants and the like use air disinfectants in there Ac systems all of them, by rule of the EPA. All said Air disinfectants main ingredients is Propelene Glycol. You may not know about it because you are a doctor or nurse not the HVAC guy, It is required by US law that all hospitals use Air disinfectants.

It has also been tested and is also used in Dehumidifiers hints the heat. You are wrong this has been tested and proven PG heated and inhaled is not only not dangerous it works as a germicide.
From the CDC itself.

"Disinfectant spray-fog techniques for antimicrobial control in hospital rooms has been used. This technique of spraying of disinfectants is an unsatisfactory method of decontaminating air and surfaces and is not recommended for general infection control in routine patient-care areas386. Disinfectant fogging is rarely, if ever, used in U.S. healthcare facilities for air and surface disinfection in patient-care areas."

Rare, ineffective, not recommended anymore. As such, super off topic.

http://www.cdc.gov/hicpac/Disinfection_Sterilization/3_4surfaceDisinfection.html#a3
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From the CDC itself.

"Disinfectant spray-fog techniques for antimicrobial control in hospital rooms has been used. This technique of spraying of disinfectants is an unsatisfactory method of decontaminating air and surfaces and is not recommended for general infection control in routine patient-care areas386. Disinfectant fogging is rarely, if ever, used in U.S. healthcare facilities for air and surface disinfection in patient-care areas."

Rare, ineffective, not recommended anymore. As such, super off topic.

http://www.cdc.gov/hicpac/Disinfection_Sterilization/3_4surfaceDisinfection.html#a3

That is from the CDC, The EPA has something different to say.... And that is there jurisdiction not the CDCs.

So you can either you know check the link I gave you and read, or keep spouting claims about stuff you obviously know nothing about...

And it is not super off topic, it is precisely on topic. As you try to claim it hasn't been tested and is dangerous well it has and it isnt.
Lets pull a fox news and say you are inhaling antifreeze lol. The extents of the insanity is just mind boggling.

However I am on your side about the flavoring inhaling that could very well be killing us.
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So you can either you know check the link I gave you and read, or keep spouting claims about stuff you obviously know nothing about...
Which link? I don't see a link from you for several pages back. The closest i can find is you talking about a jpet link.
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Kind of. Not really. The resistances in retail vape batteries is a complete unknown. The study itself tested all juices uniformly, so variance in resistance cannot really be an issue in the results. Unless you think you have evidence that retail batteries have an absurdly high resistance, I'm not sure how an intentionally excluded variable can be relevant.
Resistance of the batteries? Are you serious. You literally have no idea what you are talking about.

Batteries inherently have an internal resistance, but I know for a fact that's not what you think you're talking about.

Variance in resistance of the WIRE is what matters you if have a 3ohm coil you get considerably less heat than a 0.5ohm coil at any voltage

Since you clearly don't understand how heat correlates to watts here is an Example for you.

Voltage:4.2 (hypothetical fully charged 18650 battery in a perfect world without voltage sag)
Resistance of coil: 0.3ohms
Output Current: 14 Amps
Wattage: 58.8

To get the same 58.8 watts on a 3 ohm coil

Voltage: 13.28
Resistance of coil: 3ohms
Output Current: 4.43 Amps
Wattage: 58.8

It would require 13 volts to get the same 58.8 watts

Voltage by itself is irrelevant.

You need to know the nominal battery output (standard STICK-like ecig) 4.2 volts max, regulated MOD up to 9 volts in many cases.
and the resistance of your coil. This will help determine the power output in Watts which is what causes heat.

4.2v into a 3ohm coil would be minimal heat

If by batteries you meant Coils... which is what matters. all coils sold advertise their resistance. generally between 0.3 - 1.0 ohms

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Now you're just being obtuse. Vape batteries are most commonly rated by voltage, not wattage. When people are jury rigging their devices to output 6V, it doesn't take a genius to realize their temperatures are going to be higher than a white room 4.8V (and that's assuming there will be any difference between the white room 4.8V and the average 4.8V, an assertion that would require extraordinary proof).

I can't... I just can't... you don't know enough about the subject matter.

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I know people who wrap their own filament coils, and they can't really control wick saturation.
"Most companies (Capella's, Flavor West, etc) have an alternate flavoring that is DA/AP free. many vendors also adjusted their juice to get the same/similar flavor without the DA/AP."
That's two unfounded assertions.

Unfounded assertions?

V1 of Vanilla Custard flavor concentrate
http://www.capellaflavors.com/products/vanilla-custard-flavor-concentrate-16oz.html

V2 of Vanilla Custard Flavor Concentrate
http://www.capellaflavors.com/products/vanilla-custard-v2-flavor-concentrate-16oz.html
ACETOIN, ACETYL PROPIONYL - FREE



http://flavourart.ro/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=161&Itemid=146&lang=en

......We realize that for E smokers, our food flavors are used in a different way as they are not ingested but inhaled, and the presence of diacetyl can be a cause of concern.

For this reason we have carried out massive removal of diacetyl from our flavor collection since November 2010 and product still containing it are clearly identified.

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Which link? I don't see a link from you for several pages back. The closest i can find is you talking about a jpet link.
Think he means this one http://www.vapersclub.com/pg.php
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