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Both statements completely false.

Once again Voltage is irrelevant, power is what matters which is based on the resistance of the wire, and the output of the device.
Stale and circular. Provide new evidence, as the argumennt is tired without them.
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All NiChrome 80 (the most common form of NiChrome in vaping use) is 80% Nickel 20% Chromium (sometimes other elements)
NiChrome has been used as heating element wire for years, and was patented in 1905. The stuff sold as "vape wire" isn't magic specially formulated wire, its the same stuff that he been around for over 100 years, just put on a spool with VAPE on the side (and hopefully thoroughly cleaned of machine oils)

I don't know where you are getting your information from, presumably from your vape store employees, but you or they are way off base.
My source is a number of the individuals who turned a patent from the early 20th Century into this massive selling device in the 21st. Specifically in the late 1990s, a number of advancements were made in the field of vaping. Vaping did not take off at the time due to voltage issues that were not solved until the massive popularity of Lion batteries. The people who turned a patent into the device you're using now disagree with you. They mention not being able to find any metal that would put up with the specific repeated heated and cooling issues in a compact size with the voltages needed. They say they invented the NiChrome blend in these filaments.

I'm sorry, but I trust multimillionaire metallurgists and engineers over you.
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You brought up the mechanics of the device putting off harmful fumes, which is where this comes from. It is very much on topic as both relate to the way e-cigs affect people on a medical level and my explanation is nothing more than a counterpoint to that argument.
No, I brought up chemical issues from juice. That has nothing to do with metallurgy. I would appreciate it if you do not dictate my own points to me. The presumption and projection is uncalled for.
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@Chakravant I have no idea what vape shop you are going to put it sounds like a turd. Almost all, if not all the coils my vape shop sells for tanks have the ohms written on them. Almost every mod (my main vape shop that i go to) is regulated, unregulated mods are becoming obsolete, and when I say unregulated mods i mean tube mods.
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NiChrome is the only one proven to be capable of taking the abuse over time. The stainless and titanium can't take the heat. A pure tungsten filament isn't going to be cheap, but chemically should be up to the task.
NiChrome and titanium are the main wires used in temp controlled atomizers. As long as you never have the temp go above 600c (lol you would never even vape that high) I see no problem with titanium.
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A small portion of the E-Cig market? Try the dominant majority (we might be using the term "cig-a-like" slightly differently here, I admit). Most people aren't out buying big black boxes with inch radius water filled cylinders on top of them. Something between a "cig-a-like" and the eGo Twist is the default e-cig across the globe. "Mods" are nice, but they're a minute fraction of the market.
Have to disagree on that, after working at a vape shop for a year most people who want to quit cigs want something that will last a full day. They usually buy a single battery box mod (regulated) with a 2.5ml or 5ml tank.
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Again with the stealth edit additions. Please, make your case the first time. Spelling errors are one thing. Retroactively trying to take the soapbox back is another.
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Stale and circular. Provide new evidence, as the argumennt is tired without them.
My source is a number of the individuals who turned a patent from the early 20th Century into this massive selling device in the 21st. Specifically in the late 1990s, a number of advancements were made in the field of vaping. Vaping did not take off at the time due to voltage issues that were not solved until the massive popularity of Lion batteries. The people who turned a patent into the device you're using now disagree with you. They mention not being able to find any metal that would put up with the specific repeated heated and cooling issues in a compact size with the voltages needed. They say they invented the NiChrome blend in these filaments.

I'm sorry, but I trust multimillionaire metallurgists and engineers over you.
No, I brought up chemical issues from juice. That has nothing to do with metallurgy. I would appreciate it if you do not dictate my own points to me. The presumption and projection is uncalled for.
Sorry but I think the whole vaping was because of Hon Lik, not from what ever your saying.
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@Chakravant I have no idea what vape shop you are going to put it sounds like a turd. Almost all, if not all the coils my vape shop sells for tanks have the ohms written on them. Almost every mod (my main vape shop that i go to) is regulated, unregulated mods are becoming obsolete, and when I say unregulated mods i mean tube mods.
NiChrome and titanium are the main wires used in temp controlled atomizers. As long as you never have the temp go above 600c (lol you would never even vape that high) I see no problem with titanium.
Have to disagree on that, after working at a vape shop for a year most people who want to quit cigs want something that will last a full day. They usually buy a single battery box mod (regulated) with a 2.5ml or 5ml tank.
An unmodded, stock eGo Twist will last for over 14 days on a single charge. I've gone over 21 without needing to plug it in. I average over a week on a relatively small cartridge (I get them measured in mg, not ml).

But again, unless we can link this back to the immunocompromising qualities, we're off topic.
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An unmodded, stock eGo Twist will last for over 14 days on a single charge. I've gone over 21 without needing to plug it in. I average over a week on a relatively small cartridge (I get them measured in mg, not ml).

But again, unless we can link this back to the immunocompromising qualities, we're off topic.
I highly doubt that unless you take one puff a day. I have TWO 18650 batterys (2500mah) and I cant get through a day. Then again I go through maybe 10ml a day. The biggest ego twist my vape shop sells is 1500mah. Im starting to think you are just typing random words.
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Sorry but I think the whole vaping was because of Hon Lik, not from what ever your saying.
Nope, the real innovations in vape technology came out of Las Vegas a good decade earlier, not from China. They used Herbert Gilbert's old patent. Hon Lik borrowed some of their work, but never gave them nor Gilbert the credit they deserve.
Hon Lik really had little to nothing to do with it, he's just trying to puff his chest while standing on the shoulders of giants.

Heck, Hon Lik says he invented vaping back in 2001. I've got a retail vape older than that. It works like crap, but it does exist.
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I highly doubt that unless you take one puff a day. I have TWO 18650 batterys (2500mah) and I cant get through a day. Then again I go through maybe 10ml a day. The biggest ego twist my vape shop sells is 1500mah. Im starting to think you are just typing random words.
I average 3-4 puffs per sitting, and about 4-5 sittings a day at 4.8V. That puts me at most around 20 puffs a day. In a week, that's 140 puffs. I know I can get more than 140 puffs out of a 1 gram preloaded cartridge.

Going through 10 ml a day? That's a pretty extreme edge case, don't you think?
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I average 3-4 puffs per sitting, and about 4-5 sittings a day at 4.8V. That puts me at most around 20 puffs a day. In a week, that's 140 puffs. I know I can get more than 140 puffs out of a 1 gram preloaded cartridge.

Going through 10 ml a day? That's a pretty extreme edge case, don't you think?
No I dont think it's extreme when some people can go through 30ml a day. 10ml would be the most I do, my tank is 2.5ml and I usually fill it 2-4 times a day. Also my bad I forgot that ego twist have a really high ohm, like around 1.5 and im using .2 ohm coils in mine.
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Stale and circular. Provide new evidence, as the argumennt is tired without them.

It's physics, what evidence could you want?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm%27s_law
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My source is a number of the individuals who turned a patent from the early 20th Century into this massive selling device in the 21st. Specifically in the late 1990s, a number of advancements were made in the field of vaping. Vaping did not take off at the time due to voltage issues that were not solved until the massive popularity of Lion batteries. The people who turned a patent into the device you're using now disagree with you. They mention not being able to find any metal that would put up with the specific repeated heated and cooling issues in a compact size with the voltages needed. They say they invented the NiChrome blend in these filaments.

I'm sorry, but I trust multimillionaire metallurgists and engineers over you.

So they tried to Re-Patent NiCrhome? what are you even talking about.
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No, I brought up chemical issues from juice. That has nothing to do with metallurgy. I would appreciate it if you do not dictate my own points to me. The presumption and projection is uncalled for.

It has everything to do with it.
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............. The approximate voltage that acetaldehyde begins to form from high-PG juice is around 5.0 volts. While this is slightly higher than many common rigs, this is well below the voltage most enthusiasts use. .....

To which I started this argument with Voltage is irrelevant.

Acetaldehyde wont form at 5 volts when putting it through 10K ohms of resistance. It wont get hot enough. Hense voltage by itself isn't relevant.

What matters is HEAT and POWER in the form of WATTs.

Which is why we're on the topic of metallurgy
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NiChrome and titanium are the main wires used in temp controlled atomizers. As long as you never have the temp go above 600c (lol you would never even vape that high) I see no problem with titanium.

NiChrome does not work in temp control "yet" as its TCR (temperature coefficient of resistance) is way to low. You are thinking of Nickel (Ni-200, nearly pure nickel)

Common wires are Nickel (highest TCR) Titanium (Next highest) Stainless Steel 430, 317, 316( next highest)

Stainless however can be run in POWER mode or Temperature control on newer devices
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