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I just recently got into the vape world for the main reason to stop smoking regular cigs. I fell in love with my vape & instantly stopped smoking cigs for 2 weeks now! Whenever I feel like smoking a cigarette, I just fire up my vape & start chasing clouds & man gotta love the flavor! I feel like E-cigs are really helping me in my mission to stop the nicotine addiction by slowly getting used to lower & lower nicotine juice. I went from 6mg to 3 mg easily & that's considered (Ultra-light) in the vape world. After that, I'm hoping to hit 0mg nicotine & from there I can completely stop the habit of smoking.
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i also vape bro. i quit smoking newport menthols after 20 years and its been over 2 months now not one ciggerette. vaping is 95% safer than ciggerettes, and as for the health issues its all in the "juice" that you use. which most of them are safer than the cherry picked stuff they use for the negatives reviews.

anyways i use vaping as a stepping stone to quit everything, and now i dont even use it as much as i did the first month, i say 2-3 more months max i wont use it at all.
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the whole "popcorn lung" thing was only caused by juices that contained the chemical DIACETYL. every respected brand of e-juice does not contain it..only the cheapo knock off crap has it. its the same thing that is in popcorn butter so if you like popcorn with butter you are at risk for popcorn lung too.

just make sure you dont have diacetyl as an ingredient and you are good
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Looking at the abstract of the study it would seem it's the flavour that was been added to the e-cig that is causing the issue.

https://aaas.confex.com/aaas/2016/webprogram/Paper16208.html

This is why I switched over to DIY eJuice. Vegetable Glycerine, nicotine in VG base, and what flavorings I choose with research. I've also vaped just VG and nicotine since I have a sensitivity to Propylene Glycol. If there's 1 piece of legislation I wish the FDA would introduce, it would be forcing companies to detail the exact ingredients in "Natural and Artificial Flavors". That way we can all avoid those chemicals which are hazardous, and avoid foods with questionable flavorings. We often forget that the flavorings in eCigs are from the food industry, and we are consuming them outside of inhalation as well. I never smoked tobacco prior, and deplored both of my parents smoking; however, nicotine, like caffeine, by itself has some pretty nice pluses with very little downsides(in moderation, same as caffeine). There's extensive study into Nicotine as treatment for those with Alzheimers and other cognitive deficiencies. Additionally, with some research you'll find that pure nicotine alone, is not that addicting. Through both more recent scientific study, and common anecdotal evidence.
Edited by DesertRat - 2/13/16 at 7:26pm
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This is why I switched over to DIY eJuice. Vegetable Glycerine, nicotine in VG base, and what flavorings I choose with research. I've also vaped just VG and nicotine since I have a sensitivity to Propylene Glycol. If there's 1 piece of legislation I wish the FDA would introduce, it would be forcing companies to detail the exact ingredients in "Natural and Artificial Flavors". That way we can all avoid those chemicals which are hazardous, and avoid foods with questionable flavorings. We often forget that the flavorings in eCigs are from the food industry, and we are consuming them outside of inhalation as well. I never smoked tobacco prior, and deplored both of my parents smoking; however, nicotine, like caffeine, by itself has some pretty nice pluses with very little downsides(in moderation, same as caffeine). There's extensive study into Nicotine as treatment for those with Alzheimers and other cognitive deficiencies. Additionally, with some research you'll find that pure nicotine alone, is not that addicting. Through both more recent scientific study, and common anecdotal evidence.

I make juice too so much cheaper as I vape at .09ohms lol I go through about 30 mls a day. Nicotine helps with my ADHD as well, not that I think ADHD is necessarily a real thing but my brain goes a million miles an hour has my whole life, and Nic helps it slow down a bit hehehe. They like to call that ADHD so I am told well that is defiantly real lol, but I think they false label a lot of people with it.
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what part of high octane combustible fuels did you not get? cars run on ethanol blends, alcohol blends, propane, cng, and different variations of xylene and toulene blends. Again these are all high octane combustible fuels.

Edit: analogy is perfectly fill your lungs with carbon monoxide and your car with beer and get back to me on how well its working.

Your post is quite vague and poorly written so excuse me if I didn't understand that by "put something else" you meant beer (?)
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Well i look at it this way. Cars are designed to process high octane combustible fuels, if you put something else in them they will not run right or cause damage. Lungs are designed to process "air" if you give it something else it probably will not run correctly and can cause damage. No matter what way you reinvent the cigarette the same analogy stands tall .

Well great analogy however, here is what you are missing, The "Air" Is not pure oxygen and it has carcinogens, heavy metals, bacterias and god knows what else in it. So go take another breath of the massively polluted air and think that is any better than a cigarette.

Unless you live in the middle of nowhere, and grow your own food and kill your own meat. Everything you eat, breathe, touch is horrible for you that is the destroyed world we live in. So excuse my sorry my vape is hurting me let me just take a sip of my carcinogen filled water in a leaching PET bottle and try to stop vaping.

Fact is being alive isnt healthy, Your living to die. My grandfather never smoked a cigarette in his life, still died of lung cancer at 61 due to Asbestos and paint fumes, from being a painter for 42 years.....
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This is why I switched over to DIY eJuice. Vegetable Glycerine, nicotine in VG base, and what flavorings I choose with research. I've also vaped just VG and nicotine since I have a sensitivity to Propylene Glycol. If there's 1 piece of legislation I wish the FDA would introduce, it would be forcing companies to detail the exact ingredients in "Natural and Artificial Flavors". That way we can all avoid those chemicals which are hazardous, and avoid foods with questionable flavorings. We often forget that the flavorings in eCigs are from the food industry, and we are consuming them outside of inhalation as well. I never smoked tobacco prior, and deplored both of my parents smoking; however, nicotine, like caffeine, by itself has some pretty nice pluses with very little downsides(in moderation, same as caffeine). There's extensive study into Nicotine as treatment for those with Alzheimers and other cognitive deficiencies. Additionally, with some research you'll find that pure nicotine alone, is not that addicting. Through both more recent scientific study, and common anecdotal evidence.

I make juice too so much cheaper as I vape at .09ohms lol I go through about 30 mls a day. Nicotine helps with my ADHD as well, not that I think ADHD is necessarily a real thing but my brain goes a million miles an hour has my whole life, and Nic helps it slow down a bit hehehe. They like to call that ADHD so I am told well that is defiantly real lol, but I think they false label a lot of people with it.

ADHD is certainly real, my son being a perfect example. He is 100% unable to sit still nor focus on one thing, and also gets many of the tics that go along with it. It's to the point where even doing something he loves (video games and legos) he'll zone out and forget what he was doing and just get up and do something else. He has had the full range of auditory compulsions from clearing his throat incessantly to repeated muttering of phrases and things that are stuck in his head. He also has the motor tics, which sometimes minor (adjusting his shoulder and neck) to as extreme as pushing his chin inward, straightening his limbs and shooting his head forward after those steps are completed. The only way he can sit still long enough to complete work in school is through medication.

ADHD has turned into a catchall diagnosis now, since there is no longer separation of ADD and ADHD and there is obviously varying severity as well. I think a large problem with ADHD is the insane levels of stimuli in the world now. Kids on their iPods, messaging on this app, playing this game, checking their likes on this, all while watching TV or playing video games. Their brains are taught from too young of an age that their attention needs to bounce from thing to thing to keep up with it all.

When I was younger, things were in series as opposed to parallel. Do your chores THEN you can go outside and play. While there were different things to do outside you couldn't necessarily climb a tree while riding your bike and fishing. You had to make a decision, and stand by it. There were children my age with ADHD/ADD as well, but the rates were certainly much much lower.
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ADHD is certainly real, my son being a perfect example. He is 100% unable to sit still nor focus on one thing, and also gets many of the tics that go along with it. It's to the point where even doing something he loves (video games and legos) he'll zone out and forget what he was doing and just get up and do something else. He has had the full range of auditory compulsions from clearing his throat incessantly to repeated muttering of phrases and things that are stuck in his head. He also has the motor tics, which sometimes minor (adjusting his shoulder and neck) to as extreme as pushing his chin inward, straightening his limbs and shooting his head forward after those steps are completed. The only way he can sit still long enough to complete work in school is through medication.

ADHD has turned into a catchall diagnosis now, since there is no longer separation of ADD and ADHD and there is obviously varying severity as well. I think a large problem with ADHD is the insane levels of stimuli in the world now. Kids on their iPods, messaging on this app, playing this game, checking their likes on this, all while watching TV or playing video games. Their brains are taught from too young of an age that their attention needs to bounce from thing to thing to keep up with it all.

When I was younger, things were in series as opposed to parallel. Do your chores THEN you can go outside and play. While there were different things to do outside you couldn't necessarily climb a tree while riding your bike and fishing. You had to make a decision, and stand by it. There were children my age with ADHD/ADD as well, but the rates were certainly much much lower.

I agree there is a type of human that has a brain that works differently than others do, but Like you said it has became a cath all for bad kids or whatever to hide the real issues its easier to slap a label of ADHD and call it a day.

I am exactly like your son, however as I have aged I have grown to control it better, however it does still incorporate a mind that wanders and is constantly churning. In my case it is also coupled with severe anxiety due in part to the mind moving. When I have something that concerns me my brain flips through possible bad outcomes constantly for hours, and most of them are things that are seriously far from what reality could possibly hold.

Also there is the sleep issue, alot of nights I lay in bed for hours trying to sleep but my brain just well not stop, I cannot shut it down and fall asleep, it takes any thought and dissects it into every conceivable way.

I have never taken medication for it, rather have learned to somewhat tame it and control it. There is some advantages to it however, I tend to have a much higher sense of what is going around me then others, and can take in information very well. In college I had that affect I would never study for tests still aced them my friends would study all night and fail them lol. They always got mad at me hehehe.
Another positive is multitasking even as I type to you my brain has 50 million things going through it all at once, however sometimes this is bad as occasionally I do lose track.

However also a trick for you with your son as I too run into this, as he gets older and learns to control it it may sometimes seem when you talk to him that he is not paying attention or listening, but he is. I can do be doing something and you try to talk to me I will still concentrate on what I am doing, and people see that as I am not listening, they sometimes get offended and say did you even hear what I said and I repeat it back to them.

the thing is while it is hard for us to concentrate on one thing, our brains can interpret many things at one time, we take in much more information that other people do as we can spread are focus among all, Albeit its split so we perceive less than someone that is focused. If that makes any sense at all its kind of hard to explain smile.gif. Basically our brains are like AMDs, They are not as strong in a single task operation but in multitasking they excel above all.

So there is pluses and you can control it but it takes a lot of time and practice and can defiantly drive you insane trying.

Also ya thats how things were when I was a kid as well, I am 29 as of November smile.gif

I think like you said however that ADHD is misdiagonsed due to kids with phones ect, Although in your case yes its sound like your son is like me. Most of the kids do not have all of those syptoms though they just refuse to contrete or dont care so they get slapped with ADHD. But OCD and everything else you described go in line with real ADHD, also paranoia and anxiety if he doesn't have those yet they will come.
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The horse your beating, its been dead a while.

No one is arguing that vaping is 100% safe, whats being argued is that its a safer alternative. Thats the point most are trying to convey. Replace "safe" with "safer".

I got mixed emotions about "safe" and "safer". grow up with alcoholics and those words become jokes.
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Well great analogy however, here is what you are missing, The "Air" Is not pure oxygen and it has carcinogens, heavy metals, bacterias and god knows what else in it. So go take another breath of the massively polluted air and think that is any better than a cigarette.

Unless you live in the middle of nowhere, and grow your own food and kill your own meat. Everything you eat, breathe, touch is horrible for you that is the destroyed world we live in. So excuse my sorry my vape is hurting me let me just take a sip of my carcinogen filled water in a leaching PET bottle and try to stop vaping.

Fact is being alive isnt healthy, Your living to die. My grandfather never smoked a cigarette in his life, still died of lung cancer at 61 due to Asbestos and paint fumes, from being a painter for 42 years.....

You might be living to die, but i do not share your thoughts. The body is designed to handle certain tolerances like most things. If you are arrogant and spit in the face of the tolerances then you will suffer the consequences.
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