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Lol. I smoke and vape. Been smoking for 13 years. I get sick once every few years, if that. So according to this "study", if I quit both, I'll never get sick?

If my immune system is "compromised", it must not be compromised very much.
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I got mixed emotions about "safe" and "safer". grow up with alcoholics and those words become jokes.
You might be living to die, but i do not share your thoughts. The body is designed to handle certain tolerances like most things. If you are arrogant and spit in the face of the tolerances then you will suffer the consequences.

No the body was not designed to "tolerate" the pollution and destructive forces that we have created in this world lol. Everyone is living to die, you live and then you die that is reality pure and simple. We are all headed the same place death, its what we do with our lives that is important.

All I am saying is that you cannot have one without the other. Vaping is no worse than High Fructose Corn syrup or MSG or any of the number of other poisons you and I both stick in our bodies every single day. Mankind is self destructive 90% of what we do is bad for us we do it anyway.

If you want to live in a fantasy land that you are living healthy because you do not smoke and the world around you isnt killing you well then be my guess however reality is that is a fantasy.

To be clear I am not justifying smoking and of course taking as few risks as possible is always best. I am just saying if you think the air you breath is not poisoning you with every breath you take well you are sadly mistaking.
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No the body was not designed to "tolerate" the pollution and destructive forces that we have created in this world lol. Everyone is living to die, you live and then you die that is reality pure and simple. We are all headed the same place death, its what we do with our lives that is important.

The sinuses and mucous, liver and your kidneys would have words to speak to you. You might think that way but i can assure others do not, and you will not convince them otherwise.
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No the body was not designed to "tolerate" the pollution and destructive forces that we have created in this world lol. Everyone is living to die, you live and then you die that is reality pure and simple. We are all headed the same place death, its what we do with our lives that is important.

Tell that to your cilia.
    
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The sinuses and mucous, liver and your kidneys would have words to speak to you. You might think that way but i can assure others do not, and you will not convince them otherwise.
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Tell that to your cilia.

Okay keep thinking that.

Here is a fun post for you,

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/29/christie_3_partner/

Let me fill you on something, the human body was built to fight off natural bacteria. Not smog, pollutants, and all the other man made crap we fill our air with. Nor the carcinogens we fill our water supply's with.

I am sorry I forget the world was destroyed when we got here and plastic drinking bottles and High Fructose Corn syrup were natural things.....

Oh and btw, since this topic is about vaping and thats where you started your crazy talk. Every time you walk into a hospital, you are vaping too. Propelyne Glycol (the main ingredient in most ejuices) is constantly vaporized into the air as it is an antibacterial. The only Unknown in our vaping is Flavoring, if you go without that, then you are taking in nicotine which everyone does through food anyway and Propleyne Glycol so thats just as bad as working at a hospital.
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Okay keep thinking that.

Here is a fun post for you,

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/29/christie_3_partner/

Let me fill you on something, the human body was built to fight off natural bacteria. Not smog, pollutants, and all the other man made crap we fill our air with. Nor the carcinogens we fill our water supply's with.

I am sorry I forget the world was destroyed when we got here and plastic drinking bottles and High Fructose Corn syrup were natural things.....
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The respiratory system has built-in methods to prevent harmful substances in the air from entering the lungs.

Hairs in your nose help filter out large particles. Microscopic hairs, called cilia, are found along your air passages and move in a sweeping motion to keep the air passages clean. But if harmful substances, such as cigarette smoke, are inhaled, the cilia stop functioning properly, causing health problems like bronchitis.

Mucus produced by cells in the trachea and bronchial tubes keeps air passages moist and aids in stopping dust, bacteria and viruses, allergy-causing substances, and other substances from entering the lungs.

Impurities that do reach the deeper parts of the lungs can often be moved up via mucous and coughed out or swallowed.

I'd say that makes for a pretty tolerant and resistant body.
    
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I'd say that makes for a pretty tolerant and resistant body.

Ya that's what my grandpa thought until he died of lung cancer......

My post was not just about Air anyway nor does that defensive mechanism stop it all as stated right there. So working in a popcorn factory gives you popcorn lung, working as a painter gives you lung cancer, drinking and eating the poisons we all eat and drink all the time is not too healthy either.


Also to be clear no one is defending smoking 1 bit, I am simply telling him that if he thinks the same toxins and worse ones are not in the air you breath every day well then he is seriously mistaken.

Someone better tell these people about Cilia that you are toting as the end all be all protection so they can take them masks off.

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Ya that's what my grandpa thought until he died of lung cancer......

My post was not just about Air anyway nor does that defensive mechanism stop it all as stated right there. So working in a popcorn factory gives you popcorn lung, working as a painter gives you lung cancer, drinking and eating the poisons we all eat and drink all the time is not too healthy either.


Also to be clear no one is defending smoking 1 bit, I am simply telling him that if he thinks the same toxins and worse ones are not in the air you breath every day well then he is seriously mistaken.

Someone better tell these people about Cilia that you are toting as the end all be all protection so they can take them masks off.


We'd all be dead right now if the body were not defending itself from said hazardous conditions. Nobody said anybody was invincible from anything, but there are indeed defense mechanisms in place that do work.
    
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We'd all be dead right now if the body were not defending itself from said hazardous conditions. Nobody said anybody was invincible from anything, but there are indeed defense mechanisms in place that do work.

Oh I am not saying there isn't, I am just saying that poison is poison and "The Air" we breathe is no longer oxygen and is itself poison contrary to what Fifth Horsemen is spouting. Everything in this world is killing us everyday, and we are creating everything that is doing so. Diabetes is at a all time high, so is suicide, drug overdoses, Car accident deaths and many many more things. Smoking well portrayed as the biggest killer is far from.

Again I am not justifying smoking at all, Eliminating all toxins from your life is a good idea that includes smoking.

Now not liking others smoking due to the smell or other reasons is something else entirely and I can thoroughly agree. After quiting I now know how others feel, I am just saying his Ideology that smoking is the worst thing ever health wise and comparing it to putting beer in a gas tank is just foolish. It is bad very bad, so is eating so much sugar and other crap that you die from diabetes.
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Love the holier than thou attitude of the non smokers in here. It's up to each person what they want to do with their body. I vape because you can do it almost anywhere, has little to no odor, and you can still smell and taste everything perfectly.

But it's expensive. And I'm sure that nothing that wasn't designed to enter your body still does some type of harrn.

You can also die on the highway, walking down the street, choking on a hamburger, and countless other ways in life. Why does everyone think that because they don't smoke and eat super foods, work out etc that they are going to live to be 150? Get real. I could go into more detail and rant but it's pointless really.

I used to vape, but I kept either losing the vaporizers, or they'd break, so just went back to smoking.
I would like to quit, not for health reasons, more money reasons.
I will say however, that when I was vaping, I didn't touch actual cigs.
That first cig after vaping smelt and tasted horrible though.
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