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vaping is 95% safer than ciggerettes. cigs produce tars and over 4000+ harmful deadly poisonous chemicals. vaping is water based vapor.no smoke, no tars, no chemicals at all if you avoid the cheap crap with diacetyl. breathing while you pump gas is more dangerous than vaping is.

if you blow ciggerette smoke thru a napkin you'll leave a yellow brown residue , blow vape thru it and it leaves nothing.
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vaping is 95% safer than ciggerettes. cigs produce tars and over 4000+ harmful deadly poisonous chemicals. vaping is water based vapor.no smoke, no tars, no chemicals at all if you avoid the cheap crap with diacetyl. breathing while you pump gas is more dangerous than vaping is.

if you blow ciggerette smoke thru a napkin you'll leave a yellow brown residue , blow vape thru it and it leaves nothing.

Anecdotal evidence vs decades of research. As far as I know there are no peer reviewed scientific studies on even the difference between inhaling atomized PG vs VG on human physiology.

It's obvious the lack of tar in vaping benefits ex-smokers, but vaping atomized sugars and flavors could also be very detrimental. Need more research, IMO.
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Yeah cause eating foods high in High Fructose Corn syrup or MSGs on a frequent basis is good for you either? As it is not, and one of the leading causes of obesity. Which too is like signing a good chunk of your life away. As that is pretty much the equivalent of vaping. One way or another, you are doing your body harm. And not just a little. Being slightly more healthy does not make it much better than puffing the real thing. Vaping if anything is more about cost effectiveness over time. And Don't think for a second the companies that make them don't have an agenda to keep people from using them. wink.gif You can label stuff anything you want, but they are just a modern cigarette.


HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) vs cane/beet sugar is still being debated, but MSG is no worse for you then normal salt. The paranoia was derived from an unscientific article and is up there with gluten as far as being a fad for people. Actually, at least there is a gluten allergy for some people that requires avoidance of gluten, and those who suffer have benefited from the fad diet. From what I have read, HFCS is only worse then cane/beet sugar because it's so cheap and is used in excess in foods. MSG is a naturally occurring flavor enhancer that is as harmless/dangerous as normal table salt, and actually can be healthy as an alternative to adding more salt into food due to it's flavor enhancing abilities.

That being said, anybody who thinks tobacco users should "just quit" needs to realize that it is not easy. I do not smoke currently, and I have occasionally smoked a nice cigar or tobacco pipe in the past and plan to do so when I feel like it.

It's great that tobacco use has been greatly reduced in the past 16+ years, but at this point we just need to educate people about the dangers of smoking and let people make their own decisions about starting to smoke or not. Until we have more evidence outside of a single source that vaping is worse for you then smoking cigarettes, then I refuse to believe it.
post #94 of 371
Cigarettes are not good for your health but I wonder how many genes would be suppressed if it was just tobacco and a filter and not the other 1500+ chemicals they add ?

If they made better quality filters and high quality tobacco with no additives ( like cigars ) then it would be less addictive and less harmful.

Im for freedom of choice here but that said, why bother smoking at all worriedsmiley.gif



btw the worlds oldest woman smoked from a very young age until she was 117 years old and then quit for health reasons and lived until 126. She only smoked two a day and back then there wasnt the chemicals they have today, goes to show moderation and good quality is the key to a lot of things
post #95 of 371
e-cigs seem VERY similar to how cigs got popular.

everyone is saying they're "healthy" or at the very least, "not as bad as cigs".

it's heavily unregulated.

it's very intertwined with socializing.

at the end of the day, people really don't care what it does to you. they care what other people think. i truly think that's why most people started smoking and then vaping.
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Everyone should just be less critical of others choice to smoke, if they choose to accept the health and financial implications then so be it.

Consider that there are varying circumstances which lead people to smoke in the first place and justifiable reasons on their part for continuing to do so.

The only scenario in which I personally object to smoking is where they do so around children who do not have the sense or option to simply leave.
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Every single year they come up with something new, yet no one gets sick because of vaping. It's been around for a dozen years, and no health problems were reported. Ever.
I believe the e-cig is hurting the tobacco industry. That's the problem. Money.
The e-cig has been banned in many different countries, without having a single valid argument against it. And without even submitting liquids to labs for testing.
I know that first hand. My president banned the e-cig because "there's no proof that it helps people quit smoking". Just like that.
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Yea, studies will find what you want them to.

Still, smoking is the worse habit I picked up. You know I spend $80 a week on our cigarettes. $320 a month, $3,840 a year.
DAAAG, I was about half of that, I quit 2 weeks before Christmas, I can now afford more, expensive toys...smile.gif I sometimes vape though...redface.gif
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Every single year they come up with something new, yet no one gets sick because of vaping. It's been around for a dozen years, and no health problems were reported. Ever.
I believe the e-cig is hurting the tobacco industry. That's the problem. Money.
The e-cig has been banned in many different countries, without having a single valid argument against it. And without even submitting liquids to labs for testing.
I know that first hand. My president banned the e-cig because "there's no proof that it helps people quit smoking". Just like that.

Agree on that.

There's an issue with submitting liquids to labs... which ones will you submit? All of them? There are thousands of suppliers now...
It's been around since 2003, hardly a date to start count as it was only developed in 2003, it took years for it to get out. Then there's a long exposure... I mean I feel great vaping after 15 years smoking, but I've no idea how and if it will affect me.
So far my defense is that it can't be worse than cigarettes.
I can climb to 4th floor with ease now vs panting and stopping for rest when I smoked... no cough... no smell... no yellow fingers...
The "war" is similar as gas vs solar/electric cars smile.gif
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Agree on that.

There's an issue with submitting liquids to labs... which ones will you submit? All of them? There are thousands of suppliers now...
It's been around since 2003, hardly a date to start count as it was only developed in 2003, it took years for it to get out. Then there's a long exposure... I mean I feel great vaping after 15 years smoking, but I've no idea how and if it will affect me.
So far my defense is that it can't be worse than cigarettes.
I can climb to 4th floor with ease now vs panting and stopping for rest when I smoked... no cough... no smell... no yellow fingers...
The "war" is similar as gas vs solar/electric cars smile.gif

I agree, they can't just test thousands of liquids. But they don't even try to establish regulations. That's my complaint.

And I agree again. It can't be worse than cigarettes.
I've been a smoker for many years. I used to wake up tired, breathing terrible.
Couldn't run without feeling sick, being 30 years old.
Now I've been vaping for the last three years (instead of smoking), and I feel great. Changes were like day and night.
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