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The die size has pretty much no indication on the performance range of a certain GPU coming out. This is merely proving that AMD is using 14nm for the next major GPU line-up.
     
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270X replacement size so 380/380X replacement most likely. Let's hope we can get the Polaris 11 at the same time!
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In terms of raw performance it might as well be on par with a 380 despite being classified as small and "low-end".

No way in hell that card is as bad as a 380.

The 380 is a rather low performaning card (relatively seen as we have 2016 and what gains we have seen the last couple of years).
The R9 380 is basically just a slightly stronger HD 7950. A card that was release early 2012. 4 damn years ago.

Why do people have so low expectations? For crying out loud how could a 232mm² Polaris 14nm FF card be as bad as a 366 mm² 28nm card that is cut down [28 compute units (1792 stream processors)] ?


Or am I missing something obvious here?
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No way in hell that card is as bad as a 380.

The 380 is a rather low performaning card (relatively seen as we have 2016 and what gains we have seen the last couple of years).
The R9 380 is basically just a slightly stronger HD 7950. A card that was release early 2012. 4 damn years ago.

Why do people have so low expectations? For crying out loud how could a 232mm² Polaris 14nm FF card be as bad as a 366 mm² 28nm card that is cut down [28 compute units (1792 stream processors)] ?


Or am I missing something obvious here?

2012, yes, but a high end. A 380 at 149$/€ and a low power consumption and it will sell a lot.
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This will be 290-290X performance for ~ $200-250. Don't expect cheaper either.
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This will be 290-290X performance for ~ $200-250. Don't expect cheaper either.
199-230, like the 380-380X, as we can asume that we will have two SKUs out of the chip.

The thing is, if the CES chip is the little one (Polaris 10), this has to be the "big" one in the naming scheme, the Polaris 11. I will be very disappointed if AMD doesn't release a bigger one to replace the 390/390X.
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199-230, like the 380-380X, as we can asume that we will have two SKUs out of the chip.

The thing is, if the CES chip is the little one (Polaris 10), this has to be the "big" one in the naming scheme, the Polaris 11. I will be very disappointed if AMD doesn't release a bigger one to replace the 390/390X.

It's a possibility that this thing will end up faster than the 390 in some usage cases, so it might replace it pretty seamlessly.

edit: If you've seen the material AMD has been releasing around polaris, it's pretty clear they want to paint a picture of the architecture being better, not necessarily much faster per dollar, on release.
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I think AMD/Nvidia will both release their enthusiast replacements in q4 2016/beginning of 2017.
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199-230, like the 380-380X, as we can asume that we will have two SKUs out of the chip.

The thing is, if the CES chip is the little one (Polaris 10), this has to be the "big" one in the naming scheme, the Polaris 11. I will be very disappointed if AMD doesn't release a bigger one to replace the 390/390X.
Thing is, if the small chip already performs at least as well as the 960 (which is roughly ~10-15% slower than a 380) it makes absolutely zero sense for the bigger chip to be right on top of that. The smallest difference should be in the 25% range for the cut down version which would put this in line with the 390.
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It's a possibility that this thing will end up faster than the 390 in some usage cases, so it might replace it pretty seamlessly.

edit: If you've seen the material AMD has been releasing around polaris, it's pretty clear they want to paint a picture of the architecture being better, not necessarily much faster per dollar, on release.
Perf/W doubled from 6970 to 7870. This should be an even bigger difference, since the difference in nodes is bigger.
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No way in hell that card is as bad as a 380.

The 380 is a rather low performaning card (relatively seen as we have 2016 and what gains we have seen the last couple of years).
The R9 380 is basically just a slightly stronger HD 7950. A card that was release early 2012. 4 damn years ago.

Why do people have so low expectations? For crying out loud how could a 232mm² Polaris 14nm FF card be as bad as a 366 mm² 28nm card that is cut down [28 compute units (1792 stream processors)] ?


Or am I missing something obvious here?

We have nothing really to compare but die size. A "14nm" 232mm² die should pack roughly the same transistors as a 28nm 375mm² die would. You would think a 14nm should be exactly half the size of a 28nm, but that isnt really true because much of what is called 14nm is actually closer to the 20nm sizes on transistors.
Anyway, just because of die size estimations people are thinking of R9 380 performance level because the sizes would be similar. Realistically, we should be a bit higher since we are also going to see some good architecture improvements this time around as well.
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