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Hell. The 950 in my backup rig can play any game at 1440p. 1080p is a breeze. A GPU with the performance of a 380 at $150 should be more then enough for the 1080p crowd at the price range.

Most people consider 30fps minimum framerate to be "playable". Myself, I consider an average of 60 with absolute minimum fps of 45 to be playable, though I prefer 60 minimums. Either way, a 950 cant do either of those scenarios at 1440p but good luck trying to sell it.

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I just don't understand. Am I the only one feeling like I am in the wrong movie? The 380 or probable equivalent is not the kind of performance I'd like to have in 2016. Looking at recent games and what expects us in the future I'd not be happy with a 380 kinda card.

Are people being pessimistic because they don't want to get disappointed or am I missing some valuable information that says 2016 is going to be bad for GPUs, Polaris is going to be bad, Pascal is going to be bad, 14nm is going to be bad, HBM/GDDR5X/GDDR6 is going to be bad, yields are going to be bad?

I am personally hoping for a lot, but am trying not to expect it. Realistically the only way the performance I care about increases (4k) is by increasing render units, to do that requires HBM2. Unfortunately there is not much HBM2 in supply and it wont be widely available till later this year. So I cant expect top performing GPUs for about 9 months ;'( Until we get ROPs and TMUs significantly over what we currently have we wont really see new amazing levels of performance, which means mediocre GPUs from the new gen at first launch.
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Well the 950 probably could play any game at 1440p on the lowest settings possible and assuming you're ok with 30 FPS in some titles.
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Today I learned that a 950 "can play any game at 1440p" .

Well either we have a completely different definition of what "play" means, you turn down most settings or you have some special GTX 950.

The GTX 950 I am talking about gets these results :

2560x1440 : Assassin's Creed Unity 9.7 fps.

2560x1440 : Crysis 3 14.2 fps

2560x1440 : GTA V 26.9 fps

2560x1440 : The Witcher 3 21.4 fps

2560x1440 : Rise of the Tomb Raider 18 fps

Yea, until you mess around with some settings. You can easily pull 30+ and have a game look good at 1440p. The only game I tested that gave me issue was Witcher 3. For 30 fps + I had to set it really low and it looked like junk. At mid/high settings it was 24 fps +. I accepted that. Now granted, I have a Gsync monitor hooked up to it so I can deal with lower fps.

Check it. Dying Light. Runs 30 - 60+ fps at 1440p. System is, FX6300/16gb/950
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)





Just Cause 30+ fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


A GTX 950 can pull 1440p at higher fps then a console. My camera sucks btw. =D
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I don't think that would sound good for a 2016 card.

AMD R9 380 levels of performance for 150€ in mid-late 2016? headscratch.gif
I can already get a brand new 380 non reference for 185€ ~ currently.


I just don't understand. Am I the only one feeling like I am in the wrong movie? The 380 or probable equivalent is not the kind of performance I'd like to have in 2016. Looking at recent games and what expects us in the future I'd not be happy with a 380 kinda card.

Are people being pessimistic because they don't want to get disappointed or am I missing some valuable information that says 2016 is going to be bad for GPUs, Polaris is going to be bad, Pascal is going to be bad, 14nm is going to be bad, HBM/GDDR5X/GDDR6 is going to be bad, yields are going to be bad?


Well whatever it is. I stand by my expectations that this is probably the GPU AMD was talking about when they said VR at a reasonable price point for customers and we all know the minimum requirements are an R9 290 and there is no way this new Polaris GPU is much worse than a R9 290.

The performance of a spot is the performance of the superior spot (or chip) in the last generation. The cheapest 380 that I can get is 210€, so 149€ is a good price, even 10€ less than the 950. The 380 equivalent maybe is not what you expect to get in 2016 but maybe you neither gonna expend 149€ in a GPU. I've seen some of yout comments and you expect too much jump in performance. You are gonna be disappointed. Maybe I'm wrong, and better for you and me but I don't think so :/
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Well that's really disappointing. We finally break past 28nm and it's just a small low-power chip. AMD needs to go big to save themselves and get back in the game, they have to beat nvidia to next-gen high performance. This isn't going to do much for them.
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Well that's really disappointing. We finally break past 28nm and it's just a small low-power chip. AMD needs to go big to save themselves and get back in the game, they have to beat nvidia to next-gen high performance. This isn't going to do much for them.

I'm not sure how that computes. Neither nVidia nor AMD move much in the way of God tier parts, it's the lower end where the volume is that makes both companies money.
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Well that's really disappointing. We finally break past 28nm and it's just a small low-power chip. AMD needs to go big to save themselves and get back in the game, they have to beat nvidia to next-gen high performance. This isn't going to do much for them.

I'm not sure how that computes. Neither nVidia nor AMD move much in the way of God tier parts, it's the lower end where the volume is that makes both companies money.


Actually, it's the higher end compute GPUs that make them the most money. I don't know AMD's numbers, but Nvidia moves a boatload of $1500+ Teslas.


The high end consumer GPUs are just like Intel's X99 lineup: server hardware that doesn't make the cut, re-purposed for consumers.
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You sure about that? I fully believe it on a per product basis...ie....they make more profit percentage on the high end then they do on the low and mid, but total profit? I suspect the smaller percentage on lower tiers is more than made up for by quantity.
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The performance of a spot is the performance of the superior spot (or chip) in the last generation. The cheapest 380 that I can get is 210€, so 149€ is a good price, even 10€ less than the 950. The 380 equivalent maybe is not what you expect to get in 2016 but maybe you neither gonna expend 149€ in a GPU. I've seen some of yout comments and you expect too much jump in performance. You are gonna be disappointed. Maybe I'm wrong, and better for you and me but I don't think so :/

But when is it the time for high expectations? Why should we be "cautious" and have low expectations? I want to look forward to new GPUs. I want to be excited about benchmarks and I want to be positively surprised. I remember when I bought my 2500K/GTX 680 rig in early 2012 I was like "Yeah pretty sure in 3 1/2 years I am ready to upgrade. We will be on 20nm and we will finally have hardware that can make the jump to 4K". I waited and all we got were super expensive cards that aren't even that great. So I postponed my new rig to this year. Should we be ready to pay more and more and more for smaller jumps with each generation?


Maybe my expectations are too high, but I don't want to fool myself with low expectations just to have myself feel good if I cave in and upgrade and patronize myself with arguments to defend buying overly expensive GPUs.
Why should I even care about low performance increases. I want to notice the improvement and not have like a small performance gain which I could also have created by just optimizing settings and turn them down ever so slightly.


For me it is pretty simple. Whatever is coming out this year when I am ready to buy a whole new rig (maybe Q3-Q4 2016), GPU has to be ~500-550$/€ and atleast 30% better than a 980 Ti. If this isn't the case then I'll just buy a Nintendo NX, some games and maybe some other stuff.
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Die size seems fine. Amd's big concern right now should be power consumption since nvidia and Intel currently had them beat in that category and it's becoming more and more mainstream. I'm sure they will still release a bigger die chip with more power consumption and much better performance. I'm excited to see what amd will do with 14nm. Hope they don't disappoint.
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