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post #41 of 99
Surprised nobody has brought this up yet, but I think it's possible this might be the next mobile chip from AMD. If you thought AMD was doing bad in the desktop space, well let's just say they've pretty much been decimated in the mobile segment. The last good chip was 7970M (and maybe 8970M), but beyond that it's been either rebrands (M290X), or ridiculously hot and power hungry chips (M295X and the like).
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Today I learned that a 950 "can play any game at 1440p" .

Well either we have a completely different definition of what "play" means, you turn down most settings or you have some special GTX 950.

The GTX 950 I am talking about gets these results :

2560x1440 : Assassin's Creed Unity 9.7 fps.

2560x1440 : Crysis 3 14.2 fps

2560x1440 : GTA V 26.9 fps

2560x1440 : The Witcher 3 21.4 fps

2560x1440 : Rise of the Tomb Raider 18 fps

You hear crazy things from Nvidia fans all the time.

390 performance at the 200 bracket would be a killer in sales for any card out there atm.
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When did 230mm become low end? That's a pretty large chip for a new process node. Comparitively the 5770 was only 166mm on 28nm.
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When did 230mm become low end? That's a pretty large chip for a new process node. Comparitively the 5770 was only 166mm on 28nm.

It always become low or high end.
GTX 680 294mm^2 = 2012 hign end = 2015 midrange = 2017 low end.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/342/geforce-gtx-680.html

So when we will get 10nm or 5nm we can say that 14nm 250mm^2 chip is low end.

But in our case I belive this thing will be as fast as or faster than GTX 980/R9 390X. Basically with single six pin connector @ 80W.

AMD did mistake 7970/50 and R9 290/X when they went with 384bit and 512bit bus. R9 290 would be very efficient with clock around 850-900MHz and 256bit bus.
Edited by Themisseble - 2/14/16 at 1:05am
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232x2=464,add 20% efficiency gives 556mm 28nm chip. It should be 10% slower than 980 Ti. Unless low clock, cut down chip or have not gotten 20% more efficiency or more chip areal are used to increase 4k speed.

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Actually, it's the higher end compute GPUs that make them the most money. I don't know AMD's numbers, but Nvidia moves a boatload of $1500+ Teslas.


The high end consumer GPUs are just like Intel's X99 lineup: server hardware that doesn't make the cut, re-purposed for consumers.


$1500 is what Newegg or another retailer charges customers. They have overhead they have to cover and they're not a non-profit, so you can expect they probably pay around $750 at most for each Theoretical X. EVGA, to use an example, has to buy the GPUs from TMSC or whoever, who themselves have costs and profit motive, and so probably charge around $325 for a GPU. TMSC and nVidia probably split that, so nVidia's coming out with $175 but they have their own costs so their actual profit on a GPU is no more than $100 and probably more like $50-75. I also guarantee nVidia could not move more than 10,000 Theoretical Xs, so you're looking at a million USD in profit at max for that product run.

On the other hand, they can probably more 10 million laptop GPUs at $5 profit per fiscal year, because laptops are disposable commodities. That's 50 million in profit per fiscal year.
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Looks like AMDs upcoming 14nm GPU is a low end like previously speculated.
Only 232mm2.
It's 14nm which has up to 4 times the density going by that taped out arm core from the GF presentation.
I think this is a GTX 680 like strategy. The low end card will be ~100mm^2 I expect.
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But when is it the time for high expectations? Why should we be "cautious" and have low expectations? I want to look forward to new GPUs. I want to be excited about benchmarks and I want to be positively surprised. I remember when I bought my 2500K/GTX 680 rig in early 2012 I was like "Yeah pretty sure in 3 1/2 years I am ready to upgrade. We will be on 20nm and we will finally have hardware that can make the jump to 4K". I waited and all we got were super expensive cards that aren't even that great. So I postponed my new rig to this year. Should we be ready to pay more and more and more for smaller jumps with each generation?


Maybe my expectations are too high, but I don't want to fool myself with low expectations just to have myself feel good if I cave in and upgrade and patronize myself with arguments to defend buying overly expensive GPUs.
Why should I even care about low performance increases. I want to notice the improvement and not have like a small performance gain which I could also have created by just optimizing settings and turn them down ever so slightly.


For me it is pretty simple. Whatever is coming out this year when I am ready to buy a whole new rig (maybe Q3-Q4 2016), GPU has to be ~500-550$/€ and atleast 30% better than a 980 Ti. If this isn't the case then I'll just buy a Nintendo NX, some games and maybe some other stuff.

The companies doesn't care about what you and me want in performance. They will just give you the same as always. get the 780Ti performance and calculate the gains from going to the 980. There you have the gains from going from GM200 to GP104. Barely changed arch from Maxwell and less nm to be able to put the same core count as a Titan X in the 980 die size and being able to get a big number of mid-sized chips from the waffle. It's just as simple as that.
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I dont recall AMD having a dGPU TSMC 28nm chip at 100mm2/250mm2 & GF 220mm2.

pretty sure that 14nm isnt even related.
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The companies doesn't care about what you and me want in performance. They will just give you the same as always. get the 780Ti performance and calculate the gains from going to the 980. There you have the gains from going from GM200 to GP104. Barely changed arch from Maxwell and less nm to be able to put the same core count as a Titan X in the 980 die size and being able to get a big number of mid-sized chips from the waffle. It's just as simple as that.

Well I disagree.
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1) They will give you the same as always.

What do you define "as always"? Is "as always" just your recent memory? The jump from GTX 580 -> 680 was 35% performance increase and they went from a 520mm² to 294mm² die. What makes you think that going from Maxwell to Pascal is like going from Kepler to Maxwell instead of Fermi to Kepler? Fermi to Kepler makes much more sense.

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get the 780Ti performance and calculate the gains from going to the 980. There you have the gains from going from GM200 to GP104

What do you base that on? 780 Ti and 980 are both 28nm cards. GM200 to GP104 is a jump from 28nm to 16/14nm.

You know that the 780 Ti to 980 is only a very small jump? ( http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/14 ) It is like 2-3% better. You honestly expect a jump that small? May I ask you an honest question? Are you trying to downplay the GP104 so you would feel better if you buy it when it releases? Are we talking about different cards?
I am talking about the card that I expect to be the GTX "1080".
Why would you expect the GTX 1080 to be only 2-3% better than the 980 Ti?

(my post might sound offensive, but I am actually curious)
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