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But if we go by that, then any rehashes cannot be high-end" until the last iteration....For example the 7970 couldn't be b/c it was rehashed with the ghz edition then again with the 280x and again with the 380x and by that time the next gen was out and thus fueling a never ending cycle to where no card is "high-end".

R9 380X =/ R9 280X
Different chip.
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Irrelevant. They are the same generation of card. They use the exact same arch, the same node, and the same features. The 780ti is a 680 with scaled up core count and bus/ram. Nothing more. There was no innovation, and no change.

680 Launch date: March 2012

Titan Launch date: Febuary 2013

Buuuut... Per the Titan Review, GK110 was first introduced at GTC 2012... In May 2012
So ya, they announced the big boy of the generation just two months after the 680 arrived.

It's one looooong generation that gives even the 7970 to 290X wait a run for it's money, but people still think to think of them separately for some reason. rolleyes.gif

EDIT for derpy mistake.

So essentially the initial comment of "never" was inaccurate. It was the "high end" part for a brief amount of time, 2 months b4 the announcement and/or 11 months between launches.

So if AMD had launched the 7870 two months before the 7970, you would have called it high-end?

No, G*104 is mid-range. Always has been, always will be.
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Not really, it was the X60 of its generation. The performance jump allowed it to outperform the last generations x80 card and NV said... "Why sell this as the 660 when we can sell it as a 680 and charge double?"

GPU prices jumped $100-$200 that generation if you dont remember.

But if we go by that, then any rehashes cannot be high-end" until the last iteration....For example the 7970 couldn't be b/c it was rehashed with the ghz edition then again with the 280x and again with the 380x and by that time the next gen was out and thus fueling a never ending cycle to where no card is "high-end".

The 7970Ghz was the exact same card with more aggressive clocks and voltage. Nothing more, it was still a 2048-shader GCN 1.0 part, it was still a 7970.

The 280X and 380X are not high-end, they are high-mid and mid respectively. The top end was replaced with the new GCN 1.1 (290X) and 1.2 (FuryX) parts respectively with each generation. These generations did not use the exact same design as the one before it, they added features and otherwise optimized the design.

Also the 380X may be in the same bracket, but as it is GCN 1.2, it is not actually the same card as the 7970.
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But if we go by that, then any rehashes cannot be high-end" until the last iteration....For example the 7970 couldn't be b/c it was rehashed with the ghz edition then again with the 280x and again with the 380x and by that time the next gen was out and thus fueling a never ending cycle to where no card is "high-end".

No, you missed the point entirely.

GK104 = midrange
GK110 = high end

They both came out at about the same time, GK110 was limited to HPC customers only for about a year though (as the Tesla K20).
They are not revisions of the same chip, they are totally different chips. It would be as if AMD launched the HD 7870 as "high end" and kept the HD 7970 off of shelves for about a year, even though the product was already in production.

lachen.gif I swear I typed my example before I read your post.


The question of not release date. The question is if they are of the exact same architecture. Which in the case of both Kepler (680 / 780TI), they are.
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The argument over what's a high end or whats a mid range card has to be the most pointless semantic argument out there. There are fast cards, and there is slow cards, and there are also some in between. Just get the one that suits you the most.
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So if AMD had launched the 7870 two months before the 7970, you would have called it high-end?

No, G*104 is mid-range. Always has been, always will be.
The 7970Ghz was the exact same card with more aggressive clocks and voltage. Nothing more, it was still a 2048-shader GCN 1.0 part, it was still a 7970.

The 280X and 380X are not high-end, they are high-mid and mid respectively. The top end was replaced with the new GCN 1.1 (290X) and 1.2 (FuryX) parts respectively with each generation. These generations did not use the exact same design as the one before it, they added features and otherwise optimized the design.

Also the 380X may be in the same bracket, but as it is GCN 1.2, it is not actually the same card as the 7970.
lachen.gif I swear I typed my example before I read your post.


The question of not release date. The question is if they are of the exact same architecture. Which in the case of both Kepler (680 / 780TI), they are.

Very simply YES. If it was the highest available chip for a period of time then YES. If I didn't then I couldn't call anything such as there would always be something higher at a later period of time. Although I goofed on the 380x bit the point remains. The 7970 was high-end for a period of time until time brought us the ghz edition and the 280x, 290, and 290x. The same thing can be said for the 680. It was high-end until GK110 was introduced on the very simple concept of there being a point in time were it was simply the highest end part that was available. Key words here are "was" and "time". I really could care less what anything is called. It just comes down to if something was the highest tier available at a point in time or not. If it was..then yes...if it wasn't then no. Nothing else needs to be considered.
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Very simply YES. If it was the highest available chip for a period of time then YES. If I didn't then I couldn't call anything such as there would always be something higher at a later period of time. Although I goofed on the 380x bit the point remains. The 7970 was high-end for a period of time until time brought us the ghz edition and the 280x, 290, and 290x. The same thing can be said for the 680. It was high-end until GK110 was introduced on the very simple concept of there being a point in time were it was simply the highest end part that was available. Key words here are "was" and "time". I really could care less what anything is called. It just comes down to if something was the highest tier available at a point in time or not. If it was..then yes...if it wasn't then no. Nothing else needs to be considered.

But it was not the highest point in their lineup overall. Maybe it was for the "consumer" market. Tesla K20 was shipping for a big HPC project at the same time the GTX 680 hit the shelves.

This is likely one of the primary reasons the consumer GK110 was delayed so badly.
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But it was not the highest point in their lineup overall. Maybe it was for the "consumer" market. Tesla K20 was shipping for a big HPC project at the same time the GTX 680 hit the shelves.

This is likely one of the primary reasons the consumer GK110 was delayed so badly.

I am sure each of the companies make parts that most consumers and "businesses" don't see (at the time), that exceed what is available for either. Does that invalidate both consumer and business parts? (for example nvidia's 2014 contract with the govt for 325mil surely resulted in "higher end" parts)

For example let me ask you a question. What are the high end parts atm?
Edited by maltamonk - 2/15/16 at 5:48pm
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AMD unlike nvidia didn't have >400mm2 chip before 290x so 7970 was the high end for all intents and purposes. Unlike nvidia with >500mm2 flagships.
    
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The argument over what's a high end or whats a mid range card has to be the most pointless semantic argument out there. There are fast cards, and there is slow cards, and there are also some in between. Just get the one that suits you the most.

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I am sure each of the companies make parts that most consumers and "businesses" don't see (at the time), that exceed what is available for either. Does that invalidate both consumer and business parts? (for example nvidia's 2014 contract with the govt for 325mil surely resulted in "higher end" parts)

For example let me ask you a question. What are the high end parts atm?

GPU wise, whatever has the largest chunk of silicon on it weather its a consumer or professional card.

CPU's are quite the same. LGA 1150 is low-mid, LGA 2011-v3 is mid-high, and the true "high end" in CPUs ATM would be the Xeon 2699-V3.
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