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In what ways is Overwatch better or less casual than TF2? I'd generally like to know. I know a fair number of people think this, but I usually assume it is just because of hype and the money being dumped in to the competitive scene in OW currently. I personally think it has a much more casual feeling due to ultimates among other things.

Edit: I will say the experience for the general player is closer to the competitive experience in OW though which may be why some people think this. I could never really get in to TF2 6v6s because the skill ceiling was absurd in that game and I just got my ass kicked whenever I tried. I forget what site I used, but I used to play quite a lot of highlander and occasionally some 6v6s on some popular site for setting up pugs in tf2.
I wasn't saying tf2 is more casual than overwatch, they're both casual games compared to cs. I said overwatch is a much better version of tf2
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I wasn't saying tf2 is more casual than overwatch, they're both casual games compared to cs. I said overwatch is a much better version of tf2

Obviously your idea of a good game is very different from mine because to me OW is just new but vastly inferior in so many ways.
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I wasn't saying tf2 is more casual than overwatch, they're both casual games compared to cs. I said overwatch is a much better version of tf2

Meh, I'd say the gameplay is worse. The netcode is much worse. Input lag is worse. Basically most of the core game is worse. Its newer and prettier, but that is about it imo.
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lol did I just read Overwatch better than TF2?
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OW and TF2 are similar but also very different. I gave up on OW because it can be 'competitive' but oh it is so casual at the same time. The leaderboard at the end of each match makes it seem like everyone was doing well. There's no K/D or real gauge to tell if you were productive or a liability to your team. I'll give Blizzard this, they don't mess around when someone is caught cheating or hacking. I wish more companies (cough cough, EA/DICE, cough) would do this.
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Like I said, look at 6s not public. Also CS is a very different and very boring game.

A lot of the best OW players come from TF2 btw, I don't follow OW too closely but from memory seagull, tviq, taimou, clockwork, dummy,... Many more, but I cba to look them up

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The whole "casual" argument is stupid, tastes and trends will change over time and the success of mobas has led to OWs similar gameplay themes. People old enough to remember back when it was released, TF2 was considered casual by the hardcore TFC crowd, with its cartoonish graphics and simplified gameplay (no grenades, spy played much differently) but time marched on and TF2 carried on getting bigger as nostalgia faded.

The same will happen here, OW isn't as good as TF2 used to be, but it's better than it has been for the past few years and will only improve over time. Ardent TF2 fans sticking to their guns are just salty the new upstart is getting more attention than they ever did because Valve had no real interest in supporting a competitive scene. I loved TF2, I have many fond memories but it's had its time, Overwatch can at least bring a similar class based format to the limelight thanks to Blizz being desperate for a top tier "ESPORTS" title, and we can have an fps other than preaim-one-shot game. wink.gif
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and we can have an fps other than preaim-one-shot game. wink.gif

 

The FPS part is the problem, OW is centered around Ult management and " 6v6 brawling", a lot of the Heroes also arent requiring a lot of(or any) aim, and the mid/long range shooting chars in general are getting disadvantaged. Also for me personally its the first game where pubbing is more fun than comp, simply due to less cheese and more shooting,  most fun i had was during the short time where McCree´s left click was buffed, because it was regarding, you go and headshot people a few times and they die, now its back to flash + FTH because the revolver becomes a peashooter at range.

 

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Well, not much to discuss from FM. :D

 

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One shot spray game made for consoles.


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The FPS part is the problem, OW is centered around Ult management and " 6v6 brawling", a lot of the Heroes also arent requiring a lot of(or any) aim, and the mid/long range shooting chars in general are getting disadvantaged. Also for me personally its the first game where pubbing is more fun than comp, simply due to less cheese and more shooting,  most fun i had was during the short time where McCree´s left click was buffed, because it was regarding, you go and headshot people a few times and they die, now its back to flash + FTH because the revolver becomes a peashooter at range.

We're supposed to use Soldier at range if I remember correctly, but considering how absolutely G A R B A G E tier he is in both live and PTR, it makes McCree and Reaper the only two useful DPS heroes, and there's some weird delay with McCree's revolver where I click and it takes like 50-100ms for the shot to actually fire, during that time my cursor has probably moved off of the enemy so headshots are a pain, I just play someone who has shots that actually register instantly e.g. Reaper, Tracer, Zarya...anyone but McCree and Widow basically.
    
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