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Im wondering if motherboards smaller than itx are readily available. Either socketed or inclusive of the CPU (tho nothing weaker than a n3150). I have a 4 bay JBOD/Raid enclosure and im was considering maybe gutting it and trying to mod it into a homemade NAS, but its too small for itx. I have a Asrock Beebox n3150 and the motherboard inside that would probably be about the right size, but i cant gut that as i use it for work. I did a quick google/ebay poke around and couldnt find any reasonable priced and powerful enough options.

Ideally i want something:

-as powerful or more than the n3150
-at least 1 sata that support port multiplier (and 1x m.2 or 1x msatat would be nice)
-small enought to fit in Rosewill RSV-S4-6G (with modifitcations)
-Gigabit ethernet (1x ports fine)
-~$100 to $150 max (not including RAM, for board/cpu)

Any input would be greatly helpful. Thanks
Edited by Zer0CoolX - 2/14/16 at 5:22pm
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Or you could buy one of the intel nuc...
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Or you could buy one of the intel nuc...
i second this option
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Plenty of them are! There's a number of form factors like pico-ITX (100x72mm) and nano-ITX (120x120mm), but they unfortunately are quite rare. Mostly they use VIA Nano dual-core processors, with TDPs of 27.5W and performance good enough to beat Intel's first-gen Atoms...

But there are some Intel boards. This one has a dual-core, 1.8GHz Ivy Bridge processor soldered on. Not great, but certainly usable. The company Qotom sells a number of barebones nano-ITX systems as well, mostly with quad-core Atoms. Want to go smaller? Then try pico-ITX. That one doesn't meet your requirements, since it's more or less an N3150 sliced in half.

Other options might be to look at tablets or laptops. Try and find a netbook and take its motherboard. Downsides are that you miss out on a ton of I/O, but you do get a small motherboard that's surprisingly easy to replace. Ebay is filled to the brim with replacement laptop parts, as long as your Google-Fu is up to par. wink.gif

Or Intel NUC or similar, but that's no fun. tongue.gif
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Intel NUC

Sorry forgot the link earlier
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Unfortunately those are same dimensions as itx just flat, think itd be too bpig for the case. but thanks for the link.
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Buy one of these and gut it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=asrock+beebox&N=-1&isNodeId=1

They are smaller than mini ITX.

Yep ive got the n3150 version of this. I got it for $99 though with rebate, if i see it again will likely do this. One i have currently is for work so i cant gut it.
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Plenty of them are! There's a number of form factors like pico-ITX (100x72mm) and nano-ITX (120x120mm), but they unfortunately are quite rare. Mostly they use VIA Nano dual-core processors, with TDPs of 27.5W and performance good enough to beat Intel's first-gen Atoms...

But there are some Intel boards. This one has a dual-core, 1.8GHz Ivy Bridge processor soldered on. Not great, but certainly usable. The company Qotom sells a number of barebones nano-ITX systems as well, mostly with quad-core Atoms. Want to go smaller? Then try pico-ITX. That one doesn't meet your requirements, since it's more or less an N3150 sliced in half.

Other options might be to look at tablets or laptops. Try and find a netbook and take its motherboard. Downsides are that you miss out on a ton of I/O, but you do get a small motherboard that's surprisingly easy to replace. Ebay is filled to the brim with replacement laptop parts, as long as your Google-Fu is up to par. wink.gif

Or Intel NUC or similar, but that's no fun. tongue.gif

Thanks. The celeron one looks like itd be usable, tho not sure if the front side would be usable. Pico itx is a bit expensive for what I aim for.
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Intel NUC

Yep the problem is the cheapest one I could find new was the dual core n3050 and i think it lacked msata/m2. However I am keeping an eye for a used version.

Sorry forgot the link earlier

Ill either update or add to this post other considerations. Thanks all.
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So i found this:

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Bay-trail-Motherboard-Dual-Lan-Quad-Core-Mainboard-J1900-nano-itx-motherboard-12-12cm-ITX-N29/32427312042.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.10.O3qovY&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1,searchweb201644_5_505_506_503_504_502_10014_10001_10002_10016_10017_10010_10005_10006_10011_10003_10004_10009_10008,searchweb201560_5,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6452&btsid=99373c67-38d5-42e4-9156-8d847fd3b169

I know the j1900 isnt a powerhouse and likely a little slower than the n3150, but any idea how itd do as a plex server, running windows server 2012 r2 essentials? Also, what is the best way of telling if the sata port supports port multiplier? Is that chipset specific and uniform across any implementation or is that something thats upto each board maker to include? I guess a better question is port multiplier needed if I an simply running from the sata on board to a backplate?

Also im wondering if quality will be an issue with a board from overseas like this.

When I am able I need to pull out the RSV-S4 and look inside to see how confined the space is and what I have to work with. A thin itx maybe a tight fit but if its possible it may give more flexibility and a lower cost.

If i can find a reasonable priced board that will work Ill do a build log and cover modding it and setting it all up. I may even sell it at the end, as I dont personally need it, but I may give it to a relative instead, not sure. Just think itd be a cool project.
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Uh... The Celeron is actually better. It's an older process (22nm Silvermont vs 14nm Airmont) but I don't think they really improved Airmont much compared to Silvermont. Definitely not better enough to justify the 25% frequency reduction.

Unfortunately, Bay Trail doesn't support SATA port multipliers. If you want to be crafty, then mini PCIe -> full PCIe -> SATA card might work.

I wouldn't be too concerned with quality. As long as it has the right parts installed, it should work. This is a 10W SoC, so it's not like it needs the world's best VRMs.
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