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I fail to see how cracking stuff is a useless skill. It shows that someone excels at reverse engineering and coding, both incredibly valuable.

You cant make a living out of cracking software. You might get a job position if someone admired your capability and competence of cracking software but that is very rare. You are the robin hood of gaming, you make developers and publishers (rich) lose out on sales and provide gaming entertainment to people (poor) for free.
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$7.25
Minimum Wage. The federal minimum wage for covered nonexempt employees is $7.25 per hour effective July 24, 2009. The federal minimum wage provisions are contained in the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). Many states also have minimum wage laws.
I live in Guyana, $7.25 USD is almost what people make here in a full 8hr day job. At roughly $150 USD a month minimum wave to live on, say what you will about piracy and hardware etc, we are not privileged here nor do we pick and choose, that integrated graphics on very low settings with 15-25fps is enough for most to enjoy gaming on if they don't own a ps/xbox. Piracy might be immoral but the situation is what it is.
3rd world perspective is alot different from the usa. also people sell pirated games here on dvds for 3-5$ usd and people buy it because no one wants to use our garbage internet to download 44gb.
post #103 of 140
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You cant make a living out of cracking software. You might get a job position if someone admired your capability and competence of cracking software but that is very rare. You are the robin hood of gaming, you make developers and publishers (rich) lose out on sales and provide gaming entertainment to people (poor) for free.

It's not so much about the action itself but the skill it takes. I'd wager a person who takes part in such activities will have a better chance at scoring a better job because they're good at adopting and understanding new technologies/coding methods at a faster rate. They're not just code monkeys. Sure you can't just display that stuff on your CV, but skills are always skills and will prove useful with time.

The "Robin Hood's" of piracy usually aren't even the ones who crack the stuff, just leakers.
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post #104 of 140
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You cant make a living out of cracking software. You might get a job position if someone admired your capability and competence of cracking software but that is very rare. You are the robin hood of gaming, you make developers and publishers (rich) lose out on sales and provide gaming entertainment to people (poor) for free.

Why play sports? Why go bowling? Cracking is a hobby for those people, and cracking is no easy task. Those people have talent and cracking is a challenge, a game to them.

The "Robin Hood" you mention are the leakers indeed. The scene works for itself. You can't understand it if you don't know the history. Those people at "The Scene" are old schoolers. The first of that community were already doing it in the Amiga and Commodore days. You still got the old folks, probably at their 50s still lurking, those guys were around back when computers were a lot more open and less protected by copyright laws, it was their turf you could say.

You have the new kids, of course, because they want to keep the spirit. It's about both the challenge of hacking and competing to see who's the first to publish a working release, it's also about keeping their tradition.

By the way, you can make a living with the skills you use on your hacking hobby, there IS demand out there for individuals skilled in reverse engineering and assembly code.
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Just goes to show that new DRM will eventually get cracked regardless.
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post #106 of 140
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You cant make a living out of cracking software. You might get a job position if someone admired your capability and competence of cracking software but that is very rare. You are the robin hood of gaming, you make developers and publishers (rich) lose out on sales and provide gaming entertainment to people (poor) for free.

Why play sports? Why go bowling? Cracking is a hobby for those people, and cracking is no easy task. Those people have talent and cracking is a challenge, a game to them.

The "Robin Hood" you mention are the leakers indeed. The scene works for itself. You can't understand it if you don't know the history. Those people at "The Scene" are old schoolers. The first of that community were already doing it in the Amiga and Commodore days. You still got the old folks, probably at their 50s still lurking, those guys were around back when computers were a lot more open and less protected by copyright laws, it was their turf you could say.

You have the new kids, of course, because they want to keep the spirit. It's about both the challenge of hacking and competing to see who's the first to publish a working release, it's also about keeping their tradition.

By the way, you can make a living with the skills you use on your hacking hobby, there IS demand out there for individuals skilled in reverse engineering and assembly code.
(+1)

guess what many white hats started as?

yes, a black hat.
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I like all this conclusive talk about what women do/do not find impressive or interesting. Very evolved, and not at all condescending.
 
On-topic, the thrill ride of indecision that Bird Sister and Friends have been on with regards to the cessation (or not) of their cracking efforts is more interesting to me than the crack itself. Was it really as simple as drumming up publicity? Did somebody miss a payoff cheque? I really do wonder.
     
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I don't like DRM as a concept, but I don't like piracy either.

People equating cracking DRM to piracy need to grow up a bit. There are many reasons why someone would want to try to crack a DRM scheme, mainly to just LEARN how it works.
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It's not about cracking games, it's about the challenge of hacking, and cracking is one skill I have much respect for.

Except 3DM is one of the biggest pirate release groups. So it is 100% about piracy in this case.
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Why play sports? Why go bowling? Cracking is a hobby for those people, and cracking is no easy task. Those people have talent and cracking is a challenge, a game to them.

The "Robin Hood" you mention are the leakers indeed. The scene works for itself. You can't understand it if you don't know the history. Those people at "The Scene" are old schoolers. The first of that community were already doing it in the Amiga and Commodore days. You still got the old folks, probably at their 50s still lurking, those guys were around back when computers were a lot more open and less protected by copyright laws, it was their turf you could say.

You have the new kids, of course, because they want to keep the spirit. It's about both the challenge of hacking and competing to see who's the first to publish a working release, it's also about keeping their tradition.

By the way, you can make a living with the skills you use on your hacking hobby, there IS demand out there for individuals skilled in reverse engineering and assembly code.

Cracking is nothing productive, you simply allow people to steal easier and more conveniently, that is all, at the same time you force game developers who spent time, money and effort to spend even more, time and effort on developing protective DRM such as Denuvo or any other protective measures. This hinders developers concentrating on optimization and game design which are aspects that are much more crucial for a game. If developers were less focused on protecting their software, they could spend more resources optimizing games and providing a much better experience. Piracy as of now is simply lame and wrong, considering how well steam store has developed and the ability to refund games for whatever reason you might have. Its just that prices must be adjusted accordingly for each country and that is it, then buying games will become more convenient and there wont be any "excuse" to steal software.

Leakers are by no means the "Robin Hood" in the industry of gaming, they simply act as distributors, such as Steam and Origin, its just that they are unofficial and in most countries illegal.If it wasnt for the crackers, there would be nothing to leak. Just like if Robin Hood wouldn't steal anything, none of his followers could distribute any wealth.

As a cracker you are most likely to face illegal issues and prosecutions than having someone admire and discover your cracking talent. I am not saying that cracking is useless or doesnt require any skills or competence, its just that it doesn't really contribute to anything positive, neither is it a good way to spend time unless its something you really like and you have other means using which you can earn money and be financially stable. Sitting in your mom's basement and cracking games isnt really that big of an accomplishment no matter how many cracks you have released. In those cases when crackers or hackers get hired which are extremely rare, companies mainly hire those people so that they can develop protective measures against the vulnerabilities that have been found and exploited, those guys are most familiar with their creations and they are the best candidates for developing protection against what they have exploited.
Edited by Cybertox - 2/15/16 at 10:42am
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Cracking is nothing productive, you simply allow people to steal easier and more conveniently, that is all, at the same time you force game developers who spent time, money and effort to spend even more, time and effort on developing protective DRM such as Denuvo or any other protective measures. This hinders developers concentrating on optimization and game design which are aspects that are much more crucial for a game. If developers were less focused on protecting their software, they could spend more resources optimizing games and providing a much better experience. Piracy as of now is simply lame and wrong, considering how well steam store has developed and the ability to refund games for whatever reason you might have. Its just that prices must be adjusted accordingly for each country and that is it, then buying games will become more convenient and there wont be any "excuse" to steal software.

Leakers are by no means the "Robin Hood" in the industry of gaming, they simply act as distributors, such as Steam and Origin, its just that they are unofficial and in most countries illegal.If it wasnt for the crackers, there would be nothing to leak. Just like if Robin Hood wouldn't steal anything, none of his followers could distribute any wealth.

As a cracker you are most likely to face illegal issues and prosecutions than having someone admire and discover your cracking talent. I am not saying that cracking is useless or doesnt require any skills or competence, its just that it doesn't really contribute to anything positive, neither is it a good way to spend time unless its something you really like and you have other means using which you can earn money and be financially stable. Sitting in your mom's basement and cracking games isnt really that big of an accomplishment no matter how many cracks you have released. In those cases when crackers or hackers get hired which are extremely rare, companies mainly hire those people so that they can develop protective measures against the vulnerabilities that have been found and exploited, those guys are most familiar with their creations and they are the best candidates for developing protection against what they have exploited.

You're totally misguided.
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